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Meeting in March
by Gregor Hagedorn 04 Feb '02

04 Feb '02

Dear colleagues, Please excuse again the delay. I was away since Tuesday of last week and failed doing this before leaving. 1. Nicolas Bailly was very kind to offer the possibility of an additional "European" meeting in Paris in conjunction with another meeting. However, except for Nicolas, perhaps Yde de Jong, and me, we have no participants, so we will not hold that meeting and hope to meet at the TDWG meeting in autumn. 2. For the Australian meeting 13/14 March seems to be ok with everbody. I got 4 responses to my question regarding the Sydney vs. Canberra question. 1 was neutral, 2 prefer Canberra, 1 prefers Sydney. So Canberra is preferred. However, the BioForum 2 schedule (see http://plantnet.rbgsyd.gov.au/bioforum/index.html) is much clearer now and I think we should meet in Sydney! Immediately after our meeting a Workshop for an Electronic Catalogue of Names of Known Organisms: "TOWARDS A CATALOGUE OF LIFE" will be held at the Royal Botanic Gardens, Sydney, Australia, 15-16 March, 2002. The draft programme is not on the web yet. The funding decision on which my travel money depends should have been in last week, but I haven't heard it yet. Assuming it goes through, Sydney seems the better place, since the Catalogue of life meeting is immediately afterwards. Originally I had the impression that some GBIF meetings in Canberra may be occurring before that day, but now it seems that all Canberra is Tuesday 19th-Fri. 22th. So either we could meet in Canberra earliest Sa/Sun 23/24th, or well ahead of Sydney and leave at least one day travel time. As I understand, Bob has made early travel plans, I understand he will be in Canberra 10th March. We could meet 11-13 in Canberra, then have 1 day extra day to travel to Sydney. That would exclude some people who may want to pop in before the Sydney meeting, but we don't know about that, so we should stick to our core group. Karen Wilson has offered to provide us with a room in Sydney, I assume Steve would do the same for Canberra. Please answer in direct mail to g.hagedorn@bba as soon as possible: _Will_ you come to a meeting: Canberra 11-13 Yes/No Canberra 12-13 Yes/No Sydney 12-14 Yes/No Sydney 13-14 Yes/No I will collect all answers until tomorrow, Tuesday evening and send the conclusion round on Wednesday morning UTC. Gregor---------------------------------------------------------- Gregor Hagedorn (G.Hagedorn(a)bba.de) Institute for Plant Virology, Microbiology, and Biosafety Federal Research Center for Agriculture and Forestry (BBA) Koenigin-Luise-Str. 19 Tel: +49-30-8304-2220 14195 Berlin, Germany Fax: +49-30-8304-2203 Often wrong but never in doubt!

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Re: Meeting in Australia in March
by unknown＠example.com 11 Jan '02

11 Jan '02

Hi Gregor, Sorry for the long silence. Regarding the upcoming meeting, there will be a number of GBIF related meetings around the same time and the dates for some of these haven't been settled (one of them may even be in Mexico!). Right now March 13/14 should be fine for me and I would prefer Canberra with Sydney possible. Thanks for your time and trouble working on this meeting. Thanks, Steve Steve Shattuck CSIRO Entomology steve.shattuck(a)csiro.au

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Meeting in Australia in March
by Gregor Hagedorn 03 Jan '02

03 Jan '02

Dear collegues, the plans for the workshop in Australia are progressing. Please email me directly under g.hagedorn(a)bba.de if you cannot attend on March 13/14, but think another day within the Bioforum roster would suit you and others as well. Also, I need feedback about how many people could attend. Please send me an email, and also state, whether you would prefer Sydney or Canberra. Please just copy the following and keep only your choice: Sydney preferred/possible/impossible Canberra preferred/possible/impossible Thanks a lot Gregor ---------------------------------------------------------- Gregor Hagedorn (G.Hagedorn(a)bba.de) Institute for Plant Virology, Microbiology, and Biosafety Federal Research Center for Agriculture and Forestry (BBA) Koenigin-Luise-Str. 19 Tel: +49-30-8304-2220 14195 Berlin, Germany Fax: +49-30-8304-2203 Often wrong but never in doubt!

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Workshops in Spring
by Gregor Hagedorn 21 Dec '01

21 Dec '01

Dear collegues as has been announced at the TDWG meeting in Sydney we are planning 2 workshops in March 2002 to discuss the topic that remain open during the email discussions. Karen Wilson and Nicolas Bailly have informed me that the dates of the other meetings are fixed. For the Workshop in Sydney the best dates seem to be the 13-14 March 2002. Please inform me if you think that we should try to find another date that fits into the BioForum 2 schedule (see http://plantnet.rbgsyd.gov.au/bioforum/index.html) For Paris, we may have a choice between the 6. and 10. of March. Please send me a direct mail (g.hagedorn(a)bba.de) if you are considering attending this extra 1 day workshop in Paris, and write which day you would prefer. I wish all of you a very nice Christmas celebration and holiday, Best wishes Gregor Hagedorn ---------------------------------------------------------- Gregor Hagedorn (G.Hagedorn(a)bba.de) Institute for Plant Virology, Microbiology, and Biosafety Federal Research Center for Agriculture and Forestry (BBA) Koenigin-Luise-Str. 19 Tel: +49-30-8304-2220 14195 Berlin, Germany Fax: +49-30-8304-2203 Often wrong but never in doubt!

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Re: HTML in XML
by Jim Croft 20 Dec '01

20 Dec '01

Leigh wrote: > Except for this kind of usage. Mixed content is perfect for marking up > free-form text. Bad for mapping data into data structures (in most > cases a database). > If I had XML data containing this structure, I'd simply store the contents > as the raw XML. This is how I would like to do business as well, but unfortunately once you do this in common databases, they lose access to all the useful structural stuff in there... One day 'xml' might be a common database content type, up there with text, integers, real numbers, dates and the like, with real database facilities to manage and use this content... maybe it is already there... somewhere... jim

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Re: HTML in XML
by Jim Croft 20 Dec '01

20 Dec '01

Tim wrote: ><species_comments>The nature of Carcinus maenas is blah blah >blah.</species_comments> This is horrible mixed content stuff, and I am told that this is ipso facto, evil, and we will burn in hell for eternity for considering such a construct... >What I would like to do is have this attribute parsed using XSL and retain >the formatting over species names. Wouldn't we all... >When the text is processed normally the >HTML tags are dropped. If it is kept as CDATA the tags are not dropped but >also not processed. Any clues how to handle this? In one test application where plant names embedded in text were surrounded by <taxon></taxon> (more meaningful than ), I fudged it using fragments like the following xsl: <xsl:for-each select="note"> <xsl:apply-templates/> </xsl:for-each> .... <xsl:template match="taxon"> <xsl:apply-templates/> </xsl:template> which spewed the output to browser compatible html. The result was a series of note paragraphs with italicised species names... Not very elegant, pretty trivial, and I am not particularly proud of it. But hey, it worked and current IE and NS browsers knew what to do with it... jim ~ Jim Croft ~ jrc(a)anbg.gov.au ~ 02-62465500 ~ www.anbg.gov.au/jrc/ ~

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HTML in XML
by Tim Jones 20 Dec '01

20 Dec '01

Hi all you XML gurus, Has anyone had any experience storing HTML markup within an XML document. I would like to have a document that describes a species and one of the attributes is a descriptive piece of text eg. <species_comments>The nature of Carcinus maenas is blah blah blah.</species_comments> What I would like to do is have this attribute parsed using XSL and retain the formatting over species names. When the text is processed normally the HTML tags are dropped. If it is kept as CDATA the tags are not dropped but also not processed. Any clues how to handle this? Cheers Tim --------------------------------------------------------- Database Manager Centre for Research on Introduced Marine Pests GPO Box 1538, Hobart Tas 7000, Australia. Phone : (03) 62325222 (switch), (03) 62325213 (direct) Mobile: 0411 560057 Fax : (03) 62325485 E-mail: tim.jones(a)marine.csiro.au ---------------------------------------------------------

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Re: HTML in XML
by Leigh Dodds 20 Dec '01

20 Dec '01

> Tim wrote: > ><species_comments>The nature of Carcinus maenas is blah blah > >blah.</species_comments> > > This is horrible mixed content stuff, and I am told that this is ipso > facto, evil, and we will burn in hell for eternity for considering such a > construct... Except for this kind of usage. Mixed content is perfect for marking up free-form text. Bad for mapping data into data structures (in most cases a database). If I had XML data containing this structure, I'd simply store the contents as the raw XML. L.

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Re: HTML in XML
by Leigh Dodds 20 Dec '01

20 Dec '01

> <species_comments>The nature of Carcinus maenas is blah blah > blah.</species_comments> > > What I would like to do is have this attribute parsed using XSL and retain > the formatting over species names. When the text is processed normally the > HTML tags are dropped. That's because you're hitting the default template rules, which strips elements but retains their content. > If it is kept as CDATA the tags are not dropped but > also not processed. If you mean you've got Carcinus maenas or something similar, then the XSLT processor won't treat them as tags, but text. >Any clues how to handle this? You need a template rule that copies over the contents of this element into the result tree unchanged. something like: <xsl:template match="species_comments"> <xsl:copy> <xsl:copy-of select="@*"/> <xsl:apply-templates/> </xsl:copy> </xsl:template> This should copy the contents unchanged (including attributes) into the output. HtH, Cheers, L.

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Re: Character hierarchies
by Robert A. (Bob) Morris 11 Dec '01

11 Dec '01

Jim Croft writes: > Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 07:28:21 +1100 > From: Jim Croft <jrc(a)anbg.gov.au> > To: TDWG-SDD(a)usobi.org > Subject: Re: Character hierarchies > > >The other qualifiers (misinterps etc) aren't in there yet, but will come. > >We'll have to be much more sophisticated that in my example, of course. > > > >Now how about "definately known to be unknown" > > Very droll... However, Greg and I have discussed this in depth over a ^^^^^^^ > bottle of red and have come to the firm conclusion that without the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ over "a" bottle of wine, or over "a quantity of bottles of red wine wine more than zero and of indeterminate number" ? > attribute of "often misinterpreted as definitely known to be unknown", and > the corresponding "rarely misinterpreted as definitely known to be > unknown", accurate representation of author intent in biological > descriptions will never be possible... > > So get to it - we expect to see this in the next software release, real > soon now... > > jim > > ~ Jim Croft ~ jrc(a)anbg.gov.au ~ 02-62465500 ~ www.anbg.gov.au/jrc/ ~ >

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