Leigh Dodds wrote:
> btw, where would look for an update/docs on the new
> standard? I'm curious whether any consideration was
> given to using RDF, which provides a good framework
> for collating data about resources from multiple sources
> and using multiple vocabularies.
(For docs see http://160.45.63.11/Projects/TDWG-SDD/index.html. The
minutes and xsd draft changes from Paris are not finished yet by me,
however. Also Kevin is writing some introduction to the whole of SDD,
that hopefully makes it easier to understand.)
The application of RDF to SDD has been repeatedly discussed -- and is
currently avoided. It probably would be a good thing, everybody
agrees so, but most do not understand it well enough to really work
with it or profit from the definitional documents. I failed to
understand them. So we decided to try without RDF, rather than
debating little understood things. Any review of our results from you
would be great. If you can, come to Lisbon!
Gregor
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Institute for Plant Virology, Microbiology, and Biosafety
Federal Research Center for Agriculture and Forestry (BBA)
Koenigin-Luise-Str. 19 Tel: +49-30-8304-2220
14195 Berlin, Germany Fax: +49-30-8304-2203
Often wrong but never in doubt!
>>>There is a plant ontology consortium (POC) that is involved in
>>>trying to rationalise terminology used by Arabidopsis, Zea and
>>>Oryza people, and by extension (I hope) more gererally in fl. pl.
Have they published anything? URL?
jim
~ Jim Croft ~ jrc(a)anbg.gov.au ~ 02-62465500 ~ www.anbg.gov.au/jrc/ ~
>BODDS -Biological Ontological Descriptive Data Standard. It sounds kinda
>sexy when you say BODDS outloud. Or very juvenile. Or both.
well, if the shoe fits, I suppose we should wear it...
or we could just call it Biological Ontology... :)
nah... that one stinks...
jim
~ Jim Croft ~ jrc(a)anbg.gov.au ~ 02-62465500 ~ www.anbg.gov.au/jrc/ ~
>SDD stands for Structure of Descriptive Data - doesn't seem to me to do the
>job, and I just thought it would be sensible for the standard to have a
>different name from the group.
couldn't you just redefine the final product as 'Standard for Descriptive
Data', or if you want to be really creative and out there, 'Descriptive
Data Standard'?
>By the way, I'd better correct my last email. Make that a cheap bottle of
>Portugues port.
Well! That is one way to ensure that it stays as SDD!
jim
~ Jim Croft ~ jrc(a)anbg.gov.au ~ 02-62465500 ~ www.anbg.gov.au/jrc/ ~
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Croft [mailto:jrc@ANBG.GOV.AU]
> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 8:24 AM
> To: TDWG-SDD(a)LISTSERV.NHM.KU.EDU
> Subject: Re: BODDS Re: Name for the standard
>
>
> >>>There is a plant ontology consortium (POC) that is
> involved in trying
> >>>to rationalise terminology used by Arabidopsis, Zea and
> Oryza people,
> >>>and by extension (I hope) more gererally in fl. pl.
>
> Have they published anything? URL?
>
> jim
>
>
> ~ Jim Croft ~ jrc(a)anbg.gov.au ~ 02-62465500 ~ www.anbg.gov.au/jrc/ ~
>
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Hi TDWG folk,
"Has the Plant Ontology Consortium published anything? URL" Yes - for
that info. & a whole lot more visit www.plantontology.org.
Regards,
- Leszek Vincent
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P. Leszek D. Vincent Ph.D., FLS
Plant Science Unit, Dept. of Agronomy, 209 Curtis Hall,
University of Missouri-Columbia, Columbia, MO 65211-7020, USA.
Ph: (573) 884-3716 (Agronomy); Fax:(573) 884-7850;
Ph/Fax (Home): (573) 441-1228;
Email: Leszek(a)missouri.edu
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Plant Systematist on the Maize Mapping Project - NSF award 9872655 -
(http://www.maizemap.org/ and http://www.agron.missouri.edu/)
Associate Curator, Dunn-Palmer Herbarium (UMO)
Research Associate, Missouri Botanical Garden, USA
xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox
SDD stands for Structure of Descriptive Data - doesn't seem to me to do the
job, and I just thought it would be sensible for the standard to have a
different name from the group.
Of course, if we use SDD in the end, then the bottle of port is unclaimed.
By the way, I'd better correct my last email. Make that a cheap bottle of
Portugues port.
-k
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Croft" <jrc(a)ANBG.GOV.AU>
To: <TDWG-SDD(a)LISTSERV.NHM.KU.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: Name for the standard
> >By the way, there's a bottle of fine Portuguese port for whoever comes up
> >with the final name. Of course, if no-one can come up with anything, the
> >SDD group at Lisbon will have to drink the port as consolation.
>
> just our of interest, what was wrong with SDD? Is it really something
that
> needs a catchy name to market to the outside world? Won't it just become
> part of the information infrastructure that everyone takes for granted?
>
> jim
>
>
> ~ Jim Croft ~ jrc(a)anbg.gov.au ~ 02-62465500 ~ www.anbg.gov.au/jrc/ ~
>Jim your skills are wasted. Get a real job!
Unfortunately these days it is the real job that is wasting my skills... :(
jim
~ Jim Croft ~ jrc(a)anbg.gov.au ~ 02-62465500 ~ www.anbg.gov.au/jrc/ ~
>By the way, there's a bottle of fine Portuguese port for whoever comes up
>with the final name. Of course, if no-one can come up with anything, the
>SDD group at Lisbon will have to drink the port as consolation.
just our of interest, what was wrong with SDD? Is it really something that
needs a catchy name to market to the outside world? Won't it just become
part of the information infrastructure that everyone takes for granted?
jim
~ Jim Croft ~ jrc(a)anbg.gov.au ~ 02-62465500 ~ www.anbg.gov.au/jrc/ ~
>>There is a plant ontology consortium (POC) that is involved in
>>trying to rationalise terminology used by Arabidopsis, Zea and
>>Oryza people, and by extension (I hope) more gererally in fl. pl.
Peter S.
>>BODDS -Biological Ontological Descriptive Data Standard. It sounds kinda
>>sexy when you say BODDS outloud. Or very juvenile. Or both.
>
>well, if the shoe fits, I suppose we should wear it...
>
>or we could just call it Biological Ontology... :)
>
>nah... that one stinks...
>
>jim
>
>
>~ Jim Croft ~ jrc(a)anbg.gov.au ~ 02-62465500 ~ www.anbg.gov.au/jrc/ ~
RE: Name for the standardso far, we have:
BioDDS - (Chuck Miller) (spinning off to BDDS -> BDS -> BD -> D ->DELTA ->Jim Croft)
BioDescML - (Chuck Miller)
BioML - (Jim Croft) (taken - see xml.coverpages.org/bioml.html)
BioTaxML - (Chuck Miller)
CAML (Jim Croft) (taken - see http://www.vision.fhg.de/~veenhuis/CAML/)
ExSDD - (Stan Blum)
DescML - (Jim Croft)
PanML (Nick Lander, who will undoubtedly pass the port to Richard Pankhurst)
TDML - (Guillaume Rousse)
TaxDescML - (Guillaume Rousse)
xDELTA - (don't know who to give the port to for this one - maybe Mike Dallwitz)
XSDD - (Bob Morris and Stan Blum)
Keep them coming. There hasn't been so much traffic on the list for years!
-k
