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Re: Correct term
by martin grube 11 Mar '03

11 Mar '03

...consilience might serve a plurilingual world... the mail was intended for Gregor, therefore the accidentual German. martin martin grube wrote: >das Wort (engl.) "consilience" oder "consilation" (aus lat. "consilere") >

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Re: Correct term for collating/summarizing/consolidating/inferringfrom below
by martin grube 11 Mar '03

11 Mar '03

Ich halte meinen Beitrag nicht für die Liste wert, vielleicht sollte man das Wort (engl.) "consilience" oder "consilation" (aus lat. "consilere") prüfen, ob es besser passt ? martin Gregor Hagedorn schrieb: > (While I am still working on the Paris minutes and related documents, > I would like to raise a minor point:) > > What term should we use for the process of inferring and collecting > information from multiple descriptions into a generated description? > Bob raised the point that "collation" may be inappropriate or > misleading. > > Please take a look at: > > http://160.45.63.11/Projects/TDWG- > SDD/Docs/SDD_P_InferenceCorrectTerm.html > > and send your comments to the list! > > thanks, Gregor > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Gregor Hagedorn (G.Hagedorn(a)bba.de) > Institute for Plant Virology, Microbiology, and Biosafety > Federal Research Center for Agriculture and Forestry (BBA) > Koenigin-Luise-Str. 19 Tel: +49-30-8304-2220 > 14195 Berlin, Germany Fax: +49-30-8304-2203 > > Often wrong but never in doubt! -- Ass. Prof. Mag. Dr. Martin Grube Institut für Botanik Karl-Franzens-Universität Graz Holteigasse 6 A-8010 Graz tel. +43 316 380 5655 od. 8835 fax. +43 316 380 9883

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Correct term for collating/summarizing/consolidating/inferring from below
by Gregor Hagedorn 11 Mar '03

11 Mar '03

(While I am still working on the Paris minutes and related documents, I would like to raise a minor point:) What term should we use for the process of inferring and collecting information from multiple descriptions into a generated description? Bob raised the point that "collation" may be inappropriate or misleading. Please take a look at: http://160.45.63.11/Projects/TDWG- SDD/Docs/SDD_P_InferenceCorrectTerm.html and send your comments to the list! thanks, Gregor ---------------------------------------------------------- Gregor Hagedorn (G.Hagedorn(a)bba.de) Institute for Plant Virology, Microbiology, and Biosafety Federal Research Center for Agriculture and Forestry (BBA) Koenigin-Luise-Str. 19 Tel: +49-30-8304-2220 14195 Berlin, Germany Fax: +49-30-8304-2203 Often wrong but never in doubt!

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Re: Correct term for collating/summarizing/consolidating/inferring from below
by Bryan Heidorn 11 Mar '03

11 Mar '03

I like all of these. At 09:57 AM 3/12/03 +1100, Kevin Thiele wrote: > >Consider this in the real world. If I have a number of descriptions of >species, and from them I want to create a genus description, then I would >collate the genus description from the species descriptions. Compile and >aggregate would also work, but I think collate works better. > >Cheers - k > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gregor Hagedorn" <<mailto:G.Hagedorn@BBA.DE>G.Hagedorn(a)BBA.DE> >To: <<mailto:TDWG-SDD@USOBI.ORG>TDWG-SDD(a)USOBI.ORG> >Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:38 AM >Subject: Correct term for collating/summarizing/consolidating/inferring >from below > >| (While I am still working on the Paris minutes and related documents, >| I would like to raise a minor point:) >| >| What term should we use for the process of inferring and collecting >| information from multiple descriptions into a generated description? >| Bob raised the point that "collation" may be inappropriate or >| misleading. >| >| Please take a look at: >| >| <http://160.45.63.11/Projects/TDWG>http://160.45.63.11/Projects/TDWG- >| SDD/Docs/SDD_P_InferenceCorrectTerm.html >| >| and send your comments to the list! >| >| thanks, Gregor >| ---------------------------------------------------------- >| Gregor Hagedorn (<mailto:G.Hagedorn@bba.de>G.Hagedorn(a)bba.de) >| Institute for Plant Virology, Microbiology, and Biosafety >| Federal Research Center for Agriculture and Forestry (BBA) >| Koenigin-Luise-Str. 19 Tel: +49-30-8304-2220 >| 14195 Berlin, Germany Fax: +49-30-8304-2203 >| >| Often wrong but never in doubt! -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- P. Bryan Heidorn Graduate School of Library and Information Science pheidorn(a)uiuc.edu University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign MC-493 (V)217/ 244-7792 Rm. 221, 501 East Daniel St., Champaign, IL 61820-6212 (F)217/ 244-3302 http://alexia.lis.uiuc.edu/~heidorn Calendar: http://calendar.yahoo.com/pbheidorn Visit the Biobrowser Web site at http://www.biobrowser.org

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Re: Correct term
by Robert A. (Bob) Morris 11 Mar '03

11 Mar '03

Consilience. The fact of ,jumping together, or agreeing; coincidence, concurrence; said of the accordance of two or more inductions drawn from different groups of phenomena. OED online I don't think this conveys that several concepts are being collated (which I don't like because it often implies a natural order). Rather it would seem to imply that several things mean or imply the same thing. However, the second meaning for 'collation' in the OED is "The action of bringing together and comparing; comparison.", which might in fact meet Gregor's needs. So maybe I should withdraw my dislike. martin grube writes: > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:26:32 +0100 > From: martin grube <martin.grube(a)KFUNIGRAZ.AC.AT> > To: TDWG-SDD(a)usobi.org > Subject: Re: Correct term > > ...consilience might serve a plurilingual world... > the mail was intended for Gregor, therefore the accidentual German. > martin > > martin grube wrote: > > >das Wort (engl.) "consilience" oder "consilation" (aus lat. "consilere") > >

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Re: Correct term for collating/summarizing/consolidating/inferring from below
by Bryan Heidorn 11 Mar '03

11 Mar '03

"Aggregate" when referring to moving shared characteristics up a level in the taxonomy. "Inherit" properties when going down the hierarchy. Does "inherit" carry too much baggage from genetics and programming? It might be good baggage to have. Bryan At 06:38 PM 3/11/03 +0100, you wrote: >(While I am still working on the Paris minutes and related documents, >I would like to raise a minor point:) > >What term should we use for the process of inferring and collecting >information from multiple descriptions into a generated description? >Bob raised the point that "collation" may be inappropriate or >misleading. > >Please take a look at: > >http://160.45.63.11/Projects/TDWG- >SDD/Docs/SDD_P_InferenceCorrectTerm.html > >and send your comments to the list! > >thanks, Gregor >---------------------------------------------------------- >Gregor Hagedorn (G.Hagedorn(a)bba.de) >Institute for Plant Virology, Microbiology, and Biosafety >Federal Research Center for Agriculture and Forestry (BBA) >Koenigin-Luise-Str. 19 Tel: +49-30-8304-2220 >14195 Berlin, Germany Fax: +49-30-8304-2203 > >Often wrong but never in doubt! -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- P. Bryan Heidorn Graduate School of Library and Information Science pheidorn(a)uiuc.edu University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign MC-493 (V)217/ 244-7792 Rm. 221, 501 East Daniel St., Champaign, IL 61820-6212 (F)217/ 244-3302 http://alexia.lis.uiuc.edu/~heidorn Calendar: http://calendar.yahoo.com/pbheidorn Visit the Biobrowser Web site at http://www.biobrowser.org

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Re: XML: How to require either or both of two child elements, but prevent both missing?
by Gregor Hagedorn 03 Mar '03

03 Mar '03

Hi, thanks everybody for the responses and help. I am only just back from a trip so I could not respond earlier. I agree that the: choice A_required_with_B_optional B_required /choice approach is working (albeit it makes the schema a bit difficult to read). The suggestions to put a minOccurs on the choice compositor containing optional elements is not working: having no element is fine for schema (at least with validator built into xmlspy). Also it could lead to an A-A sequence. James: Yes, having <Parent><A/><A/></Parent> is undesirable, it should really be a choice of two alternative expressions of a fact. Examples are where a definition may either be inline directly given free-form text or a URI pointing to another place, or both, but not neither. Two inline definition elements would be difficult to interpret (whats the difference between the two? Semantics of using one or multiple?...) In this example multiple URIs would in fact be allowable, but in other examples not). Pavel: You are right about additional validation in xslt. It is needed elsewhere already, but work on that has to come later. Thanks again Gregor ---------------------------------------------------------- Gregor Hagedorn (G.Hagedorn(a)bba.de) Institute for Plant Virology, Microbiology, and Biosafety Federal Research Center for Agriculture and Forestry (BBA) Koenigin-Luise-Str. 19 Tel: +49-30-8304-2220 14195 Berlin, Germany Fax: +49-30-8304-2203 Often wrong but never in doubt!

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