November 2010 - tdwg-tag - lists.tdwg.org

Re: [tdwg-tag] Audubon Core namespace [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
by Gail E. Kampmeier 28 Jun '11

28 Jun '11

The reason behind choosing the name Audubon Core was not just the subject matter (eco covers just about everything we do with biodiversity), but it salutes a very famous and prolific illustrator and publicizer of natural history illustrations. The thought followed the tribute to Darwin in the Darwin Core. The name Audubon should pop up prominently and provide the opportunity for a nice story in tribute for this standard for sharing "biodiversity multimedia resources and collections." Gail ---- Original message ---- >Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 11:18:23 +1100 >From: Paul Murray <pmurray(a)anbg.gov.au> >Subject: Re: [tdwg-tag] Audubon Core namespace [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] >To: Bob Morris <morris.bob(a)gmail.com> >Cc: "Vishwas Chavan (GBIF)" <vchavan(a)gbif.org>, "José Cuadra (GBIF)" <jcuadra(a)gbif.org>, Greg Riccardi <griccardi(a)fsu.edu>, tdwg-tag(a)tdwg.org > > >On 28/11/2010, at 4:46 AM, Bob Morris wrote: > >> Let's settle this. I think http://abnc.tdwg.org works and is easy to >> associate with Audubon Core. In my opinion: >> - ac is too short and not evocative >> - adbc has too much baggage in the U.S. because of the NSF >> digitization effort >> http://www.nsf.gov/funding/pgm_summ.jsp?pims_id=503559&org=&from_org=NSF >> - adbnc is too long, though a close second for me >> - audc is possible but more evocative of audio than audubon > > >The other approach would be to name it after its subject mater. If Audubon Core concerns itself with ecology, then eco.tdwg.org would work. > >_______________________________________________ > > >If you have received this transmission in error please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail or any attachments have been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of information in the e-mail or attachments. > >Please consider the environment before printing this email. >_______________________________________________ >tdwg-tag mailing list >tdwg-tag(a)lists.tdwg.org >http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tag **** Gail E. Kampmeier, Illinois Natural History Survey Institute of Natural Resource Sustainability University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 1816 So. Oak St., Champaign, IL 61820 http://www.inhs.illinois.edu/~gkamp ****

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Audubon Core namespace
by Bob Morris 28 Nov '10

28 Nov '10

Let's settle this. I think http://abnc.tdwg.org works and is easy to associate with Audubon Core. In my opinion: - ac is too short and not evocative - adbc has too much baggage in the U.S. because of the NSF digitization effort http://www.nsf.gov/funding/pgm_summ.jsp?pims_id=503559&org=&from_org=NSF - adbnc is too long, though a close second for me - audc is possible but more evocative of audio than audubon -- Robert A. Morris Emeritus Professor of Computer Science UMASS-Boston 100 Morrissey Blvd Boston, MA 02125-3390 Associate, Harvard University Herbaria email: morris.bob(a)gmail.com web: http://bdei.cs.umb.edu/ web: http://etaxonomy.org/mw/FilteredPush http://www.cs.umb.edu/~ram phone (+1) 857 222 7992 (mobile)

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Re: [tdwg-tag] RDF N3
by Kevin Richards 17 Nov '10

17 Nov '10

I like the sound of the 'compactness' of the format, but I worry that there is a lack of tools that support the format (ie browsers, mainly). It is quite nice to naturally navigate the rdf world with a standard browser. But for transfer standards, I suppose this wouldn't matter. Kevin Sent from my HTC ----- Reply message ----- From: "Bob Morris" <morris.bob(a)gmail.com> Date: Sun, Jan 24, 2010 12:08 PM Subject: [tdwg-tag] RDF N3 To: "Technical Architecture Group mailing list" <Tdwg-tag(a)lists.tdwg.org> Let's make N3 be the recommended RDF representation. It is way more compact and human readable than RDF/XML. We could even specify a normative conversion tool if necessary. -- Robert A. Morris Professor of Computer Science (nominally retired) UMASS-Boston 100 Morrissey Blvd Boston, MA 02125-3390 Associate, Harvard University Herbaria email: ram(a)cs.umb.edu web: http://bdei.cs.umb.edu/ web: http://etaxonomy.org/FilteredPush http://www.cs.umb.edu/~ram phone (+1)617 287 6466 _______________________________________________ tdwg-tag mailing list tdwg-tag(a)lists.tdwg.org http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tag ________________________________ Please consider the environment before printing this email Warning: This electronic message together with any attachments is confidential. If you receive it in error: (i) you must not read, use, disclose, copy or retain it; (ii) please contact the sender immediately by reply email and then delete the emails. The views expressed in this email may not be those of Landcare Research New Zealand Limited. http://www.landcareresearch.co.nz

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RV: namespaces
by Arturo H. Ariño 16 Nov '10

16 Nov '10

-----Mensaje original----- De: Arturo H. Ariño [mailto:artarip@unav.es] Enviado el: martes, 16 de noviembre de 2010 13:28 Para: 'Roger Hyam' CC: 'hlapp(a)nescent.org'; 'morris.bob(a)gmail.com'; 'griccardi(a)fsu.edu'; 'jcuadra(a)gbif.org'; 'Vishwas Chavan (GBIF)'; 'tdwg-tad(a)tdwg.org' Asunto: RE: [tdwg-tag] namespaces One _Argentosirena_ with a silvery Wig was a Tad BioBlitzed while Confidently trying to Hole up in the pier's Wood, but the waves were Lapping at her and was Squarely framed by a prospective Morphbank contributor sailing under the Jolly Roger. Had her been an six-legged arthropod instead, the sailor would possibly have made her into a voucher specimen with a pin the size of an infantry Morris: http://www.flickr.com/photos/54396926@N03/5037410181/ A.- -----Mensaje original----- De: tdwg-tag-bounces(a)lists.tdwg.org [mailto:tdwg-tag-bounces@lists.tdwg.org] En nombre de Roger Hyam Enviado el: lunes, 15 de noviembre de 2010 16:01 Para: Hilmar Lapp CC: Bob Morris; tdwg-tag(a)tdwg.org; Greg Riccardi; José Cuadra (GBIF); Vishwas Chavan (GBIF) Asunto: Re: [tdwg-tag] namespaces I have quite a few occurrence records for mermaids. We find them on the beach when we are on holiday with the kids - amongst the sand castles. My best voucher photo is attached. Not sure what species this is of if the list server will let the attachment through.

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class design, generalization, L(O)D
by Bob Morris 15 Nov '10

15 Nov '10

Jonathan Reese, an employee of the Science Commons and TDWG member (and who knows way more about semantic web than I do) recently sent me this. I copy it here with his permission. Each of the paragraphs seems to me to be germane in different ways to the discussions about what should be an Individual. For those not deep into RDF, for the word "axiom", you could loosely understand "rule", although that term also has technical meaning that is sometimes a little different. Jonathan raises an important use case in the second paragraph, which is data quality control. That's a topic of interest to many, but especially those following the new Annotation Interest Group. Originally, this was part of a discussion we had about my favorite hobby horse, rdfs:domain. He is not on my side. When people who know more than I do about something are skeptical of my arguments about it, I usually suspend disbelief and temporarily adopt their position. Jonathan's first point is pretty much what Paul Murray observed yesterday in response to a question of Kevin Richards. "(a) subclassing is the way in RDFS or OWL you would connect the more specific to the less specific, so that you can apply general theorems to a more specific entity. That is, a well-documented data set would be rendered using classes and properties that were very specific so as to not lose information, and then could be merged with a badly-documented data set by relaxing to more general classes and properties using subclass and subproperty knowledge. (b) axioms (i.e. specificity) are valuable not only for expressing operational and inferential semantics, but also for "sanity checking" e.g. consistency, satisfiability, Clark/Parsia integrity checks ( http://clarkparsia.com/pellet/icv/ ), and similar. Being able to detect ill-formed inputs is incredibly valuable. People talk past one another because there are many distinct use cases for RDF and assumptions are rarely surfaced. For L(O)D, you're interested in making lots of links with little effort. Semantics is the enemy because it drives up costs. For semantic web, on the other hand, you're interested in semantics, i.e. understanding and documenting the import of what's asserted and making a best effort to only assert things that are true, even in the presence of open world assumption and data set extensibility. Semantics is expensive because it requires real thought and often a lot of reverse engineering. People coming from these two places will never be able to get along." ---Jonathan Rees in email to Bob Morris ================ Bob Morris -- Robert A. Morris Emeritus Professor of Computer Science UMASS-Boston 100 Morrissey Blvd Boston, MA 02125-3390 Associate, Harvard University Herbaria email: morris.bob(a)gmail.com web: http://bdei.cs.umb.edu/ web: http://etaxonomy.org/mw/FilteredPush http://www.cs.umb.edu/~ram phone (+1) 857 222 7992 (mobile)

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Re: [tdwg-tag] namespaces
by Nico Cellinese 15 Nov '10

15 Nov '10

> Jim (who proposed Wallace Core as a working title for an ontology > project, to stick it to that glory seeker Darwin and because the > abbreviation WC: was somehow descriptive of where things were going) OMG! I am peeing in my pants! First a picture of a mermaid (BTW I liked the bra, assuming she was not naked!), then WC as an acronym (a gem). This is getting much better than Taxacom where somebody just suggested to get rid of ITIS and CoL. Life is fun indeed! Nico > > On Tuesday, November 16, 2010, Steve Baskauf > <steve.baskauf(a)vanderbilt.edu> wrote: >> >> Not to throw cold water on a cute idea, but would it be good to >> consider possible confusion/trademark issues with the National Audubon >> Society, which is generically known as "Audubon"? >> Steve >> >> Bob Morris wrote: >> >> Much as I would love to be the convenor of mrmd, I must concede that >> Audubon Core has way more marketability. >> >> Two issues then arise: 1. An acronym for use in name spaces and >> communication; 2. the need(?) for a word to replace "core" in >> describing the most important terms in the proposed standard, and >> which are the ones we suggest are the minimal set that implementers of >> consuming software should be prepared to handle gracefully. Audubon >> Core Core sounds silly and confusing to me. >> >> As to 1., I somewhat favor some form of adbn. Or if we must end it in >> "c" and can't tolerate adbnc, then maybe adnc (resp. AdnC). >> >> As to 2, I have no suggestion >> >> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Gregor Hagedorn <g.m.hagedorn(a)gmail.com>?<g.m.hagedorn(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Audubon Core. >> >> (and the abbreviation could be AC) >> >> Gregor >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Steven J. Baskauf, Ph.D., Senior Lecturer >> Vanderbilt University Dept. of Biological Sciences >> >> postal mail address: >> VU Station B 351634 >> Nashville, TN 37235-1634, U.S.A. >> >> delivery address: >> 2125 Stevenson Center >> 1161 21st Ave., S. >> Nashville, TN 37235 >> >> office: 2128 Stevenson Center >> phone: (615) 343-4582, fax: (615) 343-6707 >> http://bioimages.vanderbilt.edu >> >> >> >> > > -- > _________________ > Jim Croft ~ jim.croft(a)gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ > http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft > 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point > of doubtful sanity.' > - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) > > Please send URIs, not attachments: > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > tdwg-tag mailing list > tdwg-tag(a)lists.tdwg.org > http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tag > > > End of tdwg-tag Digest, Vol 55, Issue 8 > *************************************** <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Nico Cellinese, Ph.D. Assistant Curator, Herbarium & Informatics Adjunct Assistant Professor, Department of Biology Florida Museum of Natural History University of Florida 354 Dickinson Hall, PO Box 117800 Gainesville, FL 32611-7800, U.S.A. Tel. 352-273-1979 Fax 352-846-1861 http://cellinese.blogspot.com/

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Re: [tdwg-tag] namespaces
by Bob Morris 15 Nov '10

15 Nov '10

Audubon Core? Acronym is tricky though. ADBC is acronym of major new nsf initiative Advancing Digitization of Biological Collections. Bob >From my droid 857-222-7992 On Nov 15, 2010 8:52 AM, "Gregor Hagedorn" <g.m.hagedorn(a)gmail.com> wrote: I dislike the mermaids. Also nobody explained what the d stand for... is it the Data inside metadata? How about calling it HaeckelCore (Ernst Haeckel, famous biological scientist and illustrator, also a German, I admit) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Haeckel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunstformen_der_Natur may be the most famous English illustrator instead? Gregor

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namespaces
by Bob Morris 15 Nov '10

15 Nov '10

As part of the MRTG submission, I need to stabilize a namespace for MRTG resources. Should I use as base http://rs.tdwg.org/mrtg/ ? -- Robert A. Morris Emeritus Professor of Computer Science UMASS-Boston 100 Morrissey Blvd Boston, MA 02125-3390 Associate, Harvard University Herbaria email: morris.bob(a)gmail.com web: http://bdei.cs.umb.edu/ web: http://etaxonomy.org/mw/FilteredPush http://www.cs.umb.edu/~ram phone (+1) 857 222 7992 (mobile)

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Request for withdrawal of proposal to move dwc:establishmentMeans to proposed the DwC class Individual
by Steve Baskauf 01 Nov '10

01 Nov '10

In my previous understanding of Occurrence in which a single token was incorporated as a part of an Occurrence, I considered an Individual to have ceased to exist and to have become an Occurrence of type LivingSpecimen when it was collected to be part of a collection (e.g. zoo). Given this understanding, I felt that there were few or no cases where the establishmentMeans of an Individual would change (excluding its capture and incorporation in a collection) and therefore it made sense for having a single establishmentMeans value for the individual. However, under the apparent consensus opinion that the token documenting an Occurrence is a separate entity, I no longer believe that there is any purpose in recognizing an entity called "LivingSpecimen". A living specimen is simply an individual with curation information. The token for an Occurrence that involves the collection of a living specimen is the Individual itself (in the case of removal of the entire organism) or a different Individual (i.e. in the case where a new individual is propagated vegetatively from the Individual being documented by the Occurrence). Given this understanding, the establishmentMeans of an Individual can change over time, so it is not possible for every Individual to have a single value for establishmentMeans. The consensus that seems to have emerged from the tdwg-content discussion is that dwc:establishmentMeans is a complex thing that describes the relationship of an Individual to a Location that can change over time. I do not see how establishmentMeans is a property of an Occurrence - in fact it is not clear to me exactly how one applies establishmentMeans as a property to an instance of any existing DwC class. But in any case, there does not now seem to be any advantage to moving it from the class Occurrence to the proposed class Individual, so I officially withdraw my proposal if that is possible. Alternatively, the TAG could take a vote and vote the proposal down, but I think that would be a waste of time. Steve -- Steven J. Baskauf, Ph.D., Senior Lecturer Vanderbilt University Dept. of Biological Sciences postal mail address: VU Station B 351634 Nashville, TN 37235-1634, U.S.A. delivery address: 2125 Stevenson Center 1161 21st Ave., S. Nashville, TN 37235 office: 2128 Stevenson Center phone: (615) 343-4582, fax: (615) 343-6707 http://bioimages.vanderbilt.edu

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