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[tdwg-tapir] r1413 - tapir/dev/schema
by svn＠rs.tdwg.org 19 Dec '08

19 Dec '08

Author: RenatoDeGiovanni Date: 2008-12-19 20:52:46 +0100 (Fri, 19 Dec 2008) New Revision: 1413 Modified: tapir/dev/schema/tapir.xsd Log: Included optional elements regionCode, countryCode and zipCode to increase the structure of related entities' location (metadata response). Modified: tapir/dev/schema/tapir.xsd =================================================================== --- tapir/dev/schema/tapir.xsd 2008-10-26 11:15:53 UTC (rev 1412) +++ tapir/dev/schema/tapir.xsd 2008-12-19 19:52:46 UTC (rev 1413) @@ -1739,7 +1739,26 @@ languages.</xsd:documentation> </xsd:annotation> </xsd:element> - <xsd:element name="address" type="xsd:string" minOccurs="0"/> + <xsd:element name="address" type="xsd:string" minOccurs="0"> + <xsd:annotation> + <xsd:documentation>Address where the entity is located. It can include street name, street number, district, city, county and other complements. Use the next elements to specify state/province, country and zip code.</xsd:documentation> + </xsd:annotation> + </xsd:element> + <xsd:element name="regionCode" type="xsd:string" minOccurs="0"> + <xsd:annotation> + <xsd:documentation>Region (e.g., state or province) of the specified address. Use standard abbreviation accepted in the country.</xsd:documentation> + </xsd:annotation> + </xsd:element> + <xsd:element name="countryCode" type="xsd:string" minOccurs="0"> + <xsd:annotation> + <xsd:documentation>Country code (ISO 3166-1-alpha-2 code) of the specified address.</xsd:documentation> + </xsd:annotation> + </xsd:element> + <xsd:element name="zipCode" type="xsd:string" minOccurs="0"> + <xsd:annotation> + <xsd:documentation>Zip or postal code of the specified address.</xsd:documentation> + </xsd:annotation> + </xsd:element> <xsd:element name="relatedInformation" type="xsd:anyURI" minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded"> <xsd:annotation> <xsd:documentation>Other related information about this entity found at the

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Re: [tdwg-tapir] tdwg-tapir Digest, Vol 36, Issue 9
by Eamonn O Tuama (GBIF) 18 Dec '08

18 Dec '08

Agree with Markus's proposal to reduce list number to three. Total (with Renato's and my vote): 10 Éamonn -----Original Message----- From: tdwg-tapir-bounces(a)lists.tdwg.org [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of tdwg-tapir-request(a)lists.tdwg.org Sent: 11 December 2008 12:00 To: tdwg-tapir(a)lists.tdwg.org Subject: tdwg-tapir Digest, Vol 36, Issue 9 Send tdwg-tapir mailing list submissions to tdwg-tapir(a)lists.tdwg.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tdwg-tapir-request(a)lists.tdwg.org You can reach the person managing the list at tdwg-tapir-owner(a)lists.tdwg.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of tdwg-tapir digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Abundance data (Renato De Giovanni) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:24:49 -0200 (BRST) From: "Renato De Giovanni" <renato(a)cria.org.br> Subject: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data To: tdwg-tapir(a)lists.tdwg.org Message-ID: <1267.200.144.120.42.1228908289.squirrel(a)200.144.120.42> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, I also agree with the change, but I think it's important to keep the archives of this list publicly available. By the way, I hope to make those last changes in the protocol next week, since there were no objections so far. For more information about this: http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-tapir/2008-October/000587.html So if we don't have an immediate mailing list transition, you should soon see here some automatic notifications of schema changes and a couple of messages as the protocol gets ready to be submitted to the standards track. Best Regards, -- Renato > If the only thing stopping us is a quorum, make that 9! > > 2008/12/8 Piers Higgs <Piers(a)gaiaresources.com.au>: >> Add another vote to this proposal from me, too. >> >> 8 votes >> >> Piers >> ________________________________ >> From: tdwg-tapir-bounces(a)lists.tdwg.org on behalf of Lee Belbin >> Sent: Tue 2/12/2008 5:19 AM >> To: 'TAPIR mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data >> >> I like simple: >> >> >> >> 7 votes >> >> >> >> Lee Belbin >> >> TDWG Secretariat >> >> >> >> From: tdwg-tapir-bounces(a)lists.tdwg.org >> [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Richards >> Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 7:11 AM >> To: Holetschek, J?rg; Wouter Addink; TAPIR mailing list >> Subject: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data >> >> >> >> Me too, I've been thinking the same thing lately. >> >> Just goes to show we should open our mouths and voice our opinions more >> often. :-) >> >> >> >> +1 vote >> >> >> >> = 6 (total) >> >> >> >> From: tdwg-tapir-bounces(a)lists.tdwg.org >> [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of Holetschek, J?rg >> Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 4:12 a.m. >> To: Wouter Addink; TAPIR mailing list >> Subject: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data >> >> >> >> count me too... even though i haven't been very active on these lists >> yet... >> >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: tdwg-tapir-bounces(a)lists.tdwg.org >> [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org]Im Auftrag von Wouter Addink >> Gesendet: Montag, 1. Dezember 2008 15:18 >> An: 'TAPIR mailing list' >> Betreff: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data >> >> +1 kudo >> >> >> >> Wouter >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: tdwg-tapir-bounces(a)lists.tdwg.org >> [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of Roger Hyam >> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:07 PM >> To: Tim Robertson >> Cc: TAPIR mailing list >> Subject: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data >> >> Make that 3 votes total. >> >> >> >> Roger >> >> >> >> On 1 Dec 2008, at 14:03, Tim Robertson wrote: >> >> >> >> +1 vote >> >> ------------ >> >> +2 (total) >> >> >> >> >> >> On 1 Dec 2008, at 14:59, Markus D?ring (GBIF) wrote: >> >> >> >> As the average TDWG mailing list is not exactly overloaded with posts, >> how >> about consolidating TDWG's mailinglists into just 3? >> >> An announcement list for TDWG business (tdwg+process), a technical one >> (TAG,GUID+TAPIR) and just a single content one. >> >> This would probably also help to avoid duplication of efforts and to >> produce >> more consistent results across the subgroups. >> >> >> >> Just an idea. >> >> Markus >> >> >> >> http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ tdwg-tapir mailing list tdwg-tapir(a)lists.tdwg.org http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir End of tdwg-tapir Digest, Vol 36, Issue 9 *****************************************

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Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data
by Holetschek, Jörg 10 Dec '08

10 Dec '08

count me too... even though i haven't been very active on these lists yet... -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: tdwg-tapir-bounces(a)lists.tdwg.org [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org]Im Auftrag von Wouter Addink Gesendet: Montag, 1. Dezember 2008 15:18 An: 'TAPIR mailing list' Betreff: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data +1 kudo Wouter _____ From: tdwg-tapir-bounces(a)lists.tdwg.org [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of Roger Hyam Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:07 PM To: Tim Robertson Cc: TAPIR mailing list Subject: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data Make that 3 votes total. Roger On 1 Dec 2008, at 14:03, Tim Robertson wrote: +1 vote ------------ +2 (total) On 1 Dec 2008, at 14:59, Markus Döring (GBIF) wrote: As the average TDWG mailing list is not exactly overloaded with posts, how about consolidating TDWG's mailinglists into just 3? An announcement list for TDWG business (tdwg+process), a technical one (TAG,GUID+TAPIR) and just a single content one. This would probably also help to avoid duplication of efforts and to produce more consistent results across the subgroups. Just an idea. Markus http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo On Dec 1, 2008, at 13:29, Holetschek, Jörg wrote: Tomas, there's a wiki you might find interesting: http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki/bin/view/ But as far as I know, this is the only mailing list alive for discussions like that... Jörg -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: bar tomas [ mailto:bartomas@gmail.com] Gesendet: Montag, 1. Dezember 2008 13:13 An: Holetschek, Jörg Betreff: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data Thanks for all your help. One last question: is there a mailing list for specifically discussing conceptual aspects of Darwin Core, ABCD, etc (I haven't been able to find one) or is Tapir mailing list for that purpose? Thanks T. Bar On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Holetschek, Jörg < j.holetschek(a)bgbm.org> wrote: Dear Thomas, the ABCD schema can handle such unbounded data - but the only TAPIR provider software that supports ABCD (pyWrapper) is not quite bug free. So you'd have to use the BioCASe protcol - which is apparently not your intention. Cheers from Berlin, Jörg -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: tdwg-tapir-bounces(a)lists.tdwg.org [mailto: tdwg-tapir-bounces(a)lists.tdwg.org]Im Auftrag von Tim Robertson (GBIF) Gesendet: Sonntag, 30. November 2008 16:22 An: bar tomas Cc: tdwg-tapir(a)lists.tdwg.org Betreff: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data This is correct... largely it is used for transfer of detailed single specimen records. That is not so say you could not define some schema that reuses sections of DwC or the TDWG vocabularies - you probably would have to get into custom provider software in that case (although maybe the current tools would allow for it - Renato could give advice for TAPIRLink on this). Cheers Tim > Thanks a lot for the information. > > I suppose when the record is composed of multiple specimens (whose > number > is recorded in ObservedIndividualCount) the individual attributes of each > specimen (age, sex, maturity, etc) cannot be stored. > > > > Tomas Bar > > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Tim Robertson < trobertson(a)gbif.org> > wrote: > >> Hi T. Bar >> You might consider the OBIS extensions for Darwin Core since you are >> concerned with marine stuff. >> >> http://iobis.org/obis/obis.xsd >> >> SampleSize: the size of the sample from which the >> collection/observation was drawn. It can be a volume (e.g. for a >> phytoplankton sample), a linear distance (e.g. for a visual transect or >> net haul), a surface area (e.g. for a benthic core), etc. This field >> must also include the units, e.g. 200 mfor a transect, or 0.25 m^2 for a >> benthic grab (use ^ to denote a superscript). Note that when multiple >> collections/observations are reported from the same physical sample, a >> code identifying the sample can be placed in the Field_Number field to >> allow all collections/observations from a single sample to be connected. >> >> >> IndividualCount is a count of specimens (e.g. not a count of species). >> If >> you want to indicate multiple species, then you would have a record for >> each >> along with the identification and the count of individuals of that >> species. >> >> So in the OBIS schema you have: >> >> ObservedIndividualCount: The number of individuals (abundance) found in >> a collection/record event. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> On 28 Nov 2008, at 17:05, bar tomas wrote: >> >> Sorry if this question is misplaced in this discussion list, but I >> haven't been able to find a mailing list on the conceptual aspects of >> Darwin >> Core. >> >> >> I am interested to know if there are any recommendations on how to >> represent abundance in Darwin Core. I have seen some datasets using >> IndividualCount and SampleSize. For instance, for a fishing survey, >> would >> you use IndividualCount for the number of species in a catch, and >> SampleSize >> for the distance towed? >> >> >> Thank you very much >> _______________________________________________ >> tdwg-tapir mailing list >> tdwg-tapir(a)lists.tdwg.org >> http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir >> >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ Tim Robertson Systems Architect Global Biodiversity Information Facility Secretariat (GBIF) Universitetsparken 15, 2100 Copenhagen Ø, Denmark http://www.gbif.org <http://www.gbif.org/> trobertson(a)gbif.org Phone: +45 35 32 14 87 (Office) Fax: +45 35 32 14 80 ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tdwg-tapir mailing list tdwg-tapir(a)lists.tdwg.org http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir _______________________________________________ tdwg-tapir mailing list tdwg-tapir(a)lists.tdwg.org http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir _______________________________________________ tdwg-tapir mailing list tdwg-tapir(a)lists.tdwg.org http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir _______________________________________________ tdwg-tapir mailing list tdwg-tapir(a)lists.tdwg.org http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir ------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Hyam Roger(a)BiodiversityCollectionsIndex.org http://www.BiodiversityCollectionsIndex.org <http://www.BiodiversityCollectionsIndex.org/> ------------------------------------------------------------- Royal Botanic Garden Edinburgh 20A Inverleith Row, Edinburgh, EH3 5LR, UK Tel: +44 131 552 7171 ext 3015 Fax: +44 131 248 2901 http://www.rbge.org.uk/ -------------------------------------------------------------

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DwC Impending Standardization
by John R. WIECZOREK 05 Dec '08

05 Dec '08

Dear all, I've been producing Darwin Core documents as fast as the field season will let me, and I'm at the point where I would like to get these documents into place on the TDWG site in preparation for a wider review. What is the recommended location for this? The documents are in a temporary holding location (http://128.32.146.144/dcterms) right now, pending the answer to this message. I believe my Cover page document (http://128.32.146.144/dcterms/DarwinCore.htm), other than its current URL follows the Documentation Standard. My concerns derive from the TDWG Standards Documentation Specification Draft Standard, which suggests that there is a place for such documentation, but doesn't say where it is, except that the documents other than namespace related ones should not be in http://rs.tdwg.org. Naturally, all of my URLs and namespaces ARE based on http://rs.tdwg.org/. :-( In order to make the review process go smoothly, I'd like to know where all of these should go, so I can finalize the URLs and have all of the links in the documents actually work. Thanks, John

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GUID wiki update
by Kevin Richards 03 Dec '08

03 Dec '08

I have just updated the GUID wiki page at http://wiki.gbif.org/guidwiki/wikka.php?wakka=WhyWeShouldNotUseLSIDs with some details about documents that discuss these issues, primarily the document at http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/URNsAndRegistries-50.html. Unless you have an RSS feed hooked up to the wiki, you would not have been informed of this changed - a problem, I believe, with wikis in general! Kevin ________________________________ Please consider the environment before printing this email Warning: This electronic message together with any attachments is confidential. If you receive it in error: (i) you must not read, use, disclose, copy or retain it; (ii) please contact the sender immediately by reply email and then delete the emails. The views expressed in this email may not be those of Landcare Research New Zealand Limited. http://www.landcareresearch.co.nz

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Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data
by Holetschek, Jörg 01 Dec '08

01 Dec '08

Tomas, there's a wiki you might find interesting: http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki/bin/view/ But as far as I know, this is the only mailing list alive for discussions like that... Jörg -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: bar tomas [mailto:bartomas@gmail.com] Gesendet: Montag, 1. Dezember 2008 13:13 An: Holetschek, Jörg Betreff: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data Thanks for all your help. One last question: is there a mailing list for specifically discussing conceptual aspects of Darwin Core, ABCD, etc (I haven't been able to find one) or is Tapir mailing list for that purpose? Thanks T. Bar On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Holetschek, Jörg < j.holetschek(a)bgbm.org> wrote: Dear Thomas, the ABCD schema can handle such unbounded data - but the only TAPIR provider software that supports ABCD (pyWrapper) is not quite bug free. So you'd have to use the BioCASe protcol - which is apparently not your intention. Cheers from Berlin, Jörg -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: tdwg-tapir-bounces(a)lists.tdwg.org [mailto: tdwg-tapir-bounces(a)lists.tdwg.org]Im Auftrag von Tim Robertson (GBIF) Gesendet: Sonntag, 30. November 2008 16:22 An: bar tomas Cc: tdwg-tapir(a)lists.tdwg.org Betreff: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data This is correct... largely it is used for transfer of detailed single specimen records. That is not so say you could not define some schema that reuses sections of DwC or the TDWG vocabularies - you probably would have to get into custom provider software in that case (although maybe the current tools would allow for it - Renato could give advice for TAPIRLink on this). Cheers Tim > Thanks a lot for the information. > > I suppose when the record is composed of multiple specimens (whose > number > is recorded in ObservedIndividualCount) the individual attributes of each > specimen (age, sex, maturity, etc) cannot be stored. > > > > Tomas Bar > > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Tim Robertson < trobertson(a)gbif.org> > wrote: > >> Hi T. Bar >> You might consider the OBIS extensions for Darwin Core since you are >> concerned with marine stuff. >> >> http://iobis.org/obis/obis.xsd >> >> SampleSize: the size of the sample from which the >> collection/observation was drawn. It can be a volume (e.g. for a >> phytoplankton sample), a linear distance (e.g. for a visual transect or >> net haul), a surface area (e.g. for a benthic core), etc. This field >> must also include the units, e.g. 200 mfor a transect, or 0.25 m^2 for a >> benthic grab (use ^ to denote a superscript). Note that when multiple >> collections/observations are reported from the same physical sample, a >> code identifying the sample can be placed in the Field_Number field to >> allow all collections/observations from a single sample to be connected. >> >> >> IndividualCount is a count of specimens (e.g. not a count of species). >> If >> you want to indicate multiple species, then you would have a record for >> each >> along with the identification and the count of individuals of that >> species. >> >> So in the OBIS schema you have: >> >> ObservedIndividualCount: The number of individuals (abundance) found in >> a collection/record event. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> On 28 Nov 2008, at 17:05, bar tomas wrote: >> >> Sorry if this question is misplaced in this discussion list, but I >> haven't been able to find a mailing list on the conceptual aspects of >> Darwin >> Core. >> >> >> I am interested to know if there are any recommendations on how to >> represent abundance in Darwin Core. I have seen some datasets using >> IndividualCount and SampleSize. For instance, for a fishing survey, >> would >> you use IndividualCount for the number of species in a catch, and >> SampleSize >> for the distance towed? >> >> >> Thank you very much >> _______________________________________________ >> tdwg-tapir mailing list >> tdwg-tapir(a)lists.tdwg.org >> http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir >> >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ Tim Robertson Systems Architect Global Biodiversity Information Facility Secretariat (GBIF) Universitetsparken 15, 2100 Copenhagen Ø, Denmark http://www.gbif.org <http://www.gbif.org/> trobertson(a)gbif.org Phone: +45 35 32 14 87 (Office) Fax: +45 35 32 14 80 ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tdwg-tapir mailing list tdwg-tapir(a)lists.tdwg.org http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir

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Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data
by Holetschek, Jörg 01 Dec '08

01 Dec '08

Dear Thomas, the ABCD schema can handle such unbounded data - but the only TAPIR provider software that supports ABCD (pyWrapper) is not quite bug free. So you'd have to use the BioCASe protcol - which is apparently not your intention. Cheers from Berlin, Jörg -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: tdwg-tapir-bounces(a)lists.tdwg.org [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces@lists.tdwg.org]Im Auftrag von Tim Robertson (GBIF) Gesendet: Sonntag, 30. November 2008 16:22 An: bar tomas Cc: tdwg-tapir(a)lists.tdwg.org Betreff: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data This is correct... largely it is used for transfer of detailed single specimen records. That is not so say you could not define some schema that reuses sections of DwC or the TDWG vocabularies - you probably would have to get into custom provider software in that case (although maybe the current tools would allow for it - Renato could give advice for TAPIRLink on this). Cheers Tim > Thanks a lot for the information. > > I suppose when the record is composed of multiple specimens (whose > number > is recorded in ObservedIndividualCount) the individual attributes of each > specimen (age, sex, maturity, etc) cannot be stored. > > > > Tomas Bar > > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Tim Robertson <trobertson(a)gbif.org> > wrote: > >> Hi T. Bar >> You might consider the OBIS extensions for Darwin Core since you are >> concerned with marine stuff. >> >> http://iobis.org/obis/obis.xsd >> >> SampleSize: the size of the sample from which the >> collection/observation was drawn. It can be a volume (e.g. for a >> phytoplankton sample), a linear distance (e.g. for a visual transect or >> net haul), a surface area (e.g. for a benthic core), etc. This field >> must also include the units, e.g. 200 mfor a transect, or 0.25 m^2 for a >> benthic grab (use ^ to denote a superscript). Note that when multiple >> collections/observations are reported from the same physical sample, a >> code identifying the sample can be placed in the Field_Number field to >> allow all collections/observations from a single sample to be connected. >> >> >> IndividualCount is a count of specimens (e.g. not a count of species). >> If >> you want to indicate multiple species, then you would have a record for >> each >> along with the identification and the count of individuals of that >> species. >> >> So in the OBIS schema you have: >> >> ObservedIndividualCount: The number of individuals (abundance) found in >> a collection/record event. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> On 28 Nov 2008, at 17:05, bar tomas wrote: >> >> Sorry if this question is misplaced in this discussion list, but I >> haven't been able to find a mailing list on the conceptual aspects of >> Darwin >> Core. >> >> >> I am interested to know if there are any recommendations on how to >> represent abundance in Darwin Core. I have seen some datasets using >> IndividualCount and SampleSize. For instance, for a fishing survey, >> would >> you use IndividualCount for the number of species in a catch, and >> SampleSize >> for the distance towed? >> >> >> Thank you very much >> _______________________________________________ >> tdwg-tapir mailing list >> tdwg-tapir(a)lists.tdwg.org >> http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir >> >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ Tim Robertson Systems Architect Global Biodiversity Information Facility Secretariat (GBIF) Universitetsparken 15, 2100 Copenhagen Ø, Denmark http://www.gbif.org trobertson(a)gbif.org Phone: +45 35 32 14 87 (Office) Fax: +45 35 32 14 80 ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tdwg-tapir mailing list tdwg-tapir(a)lists.tdwg.org http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir

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