September 2014 - tdwg-tag - lists.tdwg.org

another poke about Audubon Core status
by Stoner, Dan 29 Sep '14

29 Sep '14

I see in the tdwg-tag mailing list archives that the status of the Audubon Core Standard has been discussed recently: http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-tag/2014-June/002558.html So consider this another poke about getting the web site updated with the official status of the Standard. If there is anything I can do to facilitate the web site update, please let me know (as in, I am volunteering to hack code or whatever is needed). Thanks, Dan Stoner iDigBio / ACIS Laboratory University of Florida

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Re: [tdwg-tag] [tdwg-content] [tdwg] another poke about Audubon Core status
by Bob Morris 22 Sep '14

22 Sep '14

As to Audubon Core (AC), a little clarification is needed. The only thing so far adopted is the AC data model, more precisely "The Audubon Core Multimedia Resources Metadata schema (“AC schema”, or simply “AC”) is a set of metadata vocabularies for describing biodiversity-related multimedia resources and collections. The specification is independent of how these vocabularies may be represented for machine use." [1] In particular, no artifacts akin to such things as the DwC normative document [2] have been submitted for approval, nor have artifacts akin to Simple Darwin Core [6] though some are under development (*, **). In appearance, the AC documents [1, 3 and 4] together are a bit like the most useful reference for DwC, namely [5]. But unlike [5], [3 and 4] are normative ([1] is not/). Those parts of AC are maintained in a MediaWiki, and would be relatively pointles to put in a public source code repository, perhaps except based on arguments of backup sustainability. In such a case, they would be of use only to AC maintainers, unless the repo happened to support MediaWiki. Bob Morris TDWG Image Interest Group co-convenor and AC <co-something or other> [1] http://terms.tdwg.org/wiki/Audubon_Core#Introduction [2] http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/rdf/dwctermshistory.rdf [3] http://terms.gbif.org/wiki/Audubon_Core_Structure [4] http://terms.tdwg.org/wiki/Audubon_Core_Term_List [5] http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/ [6] http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/xsd/tdwg_dwc_simple.xsd (*) Readers beware: [2] is an RDF description of Darwin Core, not an RDF description of biodiversity. (**) There will be a session devoted to AC at TDWG 2014 which will hopefully be attended by those already using AC in one or another specific, albeit unsubmitted form. On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:58 AM, James Macklin <james.macklin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I am also in favor of the GitHub repo but we really need to hear from Stan > about the status of the work he was having done on the TDWG site. We will > need to decide which is the "official" repo but as others point out there > is likely good reason to have duplication! We also need to figure out who > has time to do this if we go forward. Looks like there have already been a > couple of hands partly raised ;-) > > Best, James > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Bob Morris <morris.bob(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> That was the answer in June too... >> On Sep 22, 2014 9:23 AM, "Kampmeier, Gail E" <gkamp(a)illinois.edu> wrote: >> >>> Stan Blum is working with contractors on the new TDWG site. --Gail >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: tdwg-bounces(a)lists.tdwg.org [tdwg-bounces(a)lists.tdwg.org] on >>> behalf of Dave Vieglais [vieglais(a)ku.edu] >>> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 08:20 >>> To: Tim Robertson >>> Cc: TDWG Content Mailing List; tdwg(a)lists.tdwg.org; >>> tdwg-tag(a)lists.tdwg.org; Stoner, Dan >>> Subject: Re: [tdwg] [tdwg-tag] another poke about Audubon Core status >>> >>> Would a GitHub organization satisfy the requirements of the TDWG site? >>> >>> - Dave V. >>> >>> On 22 Sep 2014, at 8:46, Tim Robertson wrote: >>> >>> > Hi Dan, >>> > >>> > Thanks for your offer. >>> > >>> > As far as I recall, the TDWG executive decided at the last meeting to >>> > move onto a whole new platform and put contractor money aside to make >>> > it happen. >>> > I’m reluctant to point you at the tangled mess of the current system >>> > when I suspect it is to be replaced anyway. It really is a convoluted >>> > mess of Typo3 plugins, which try and keep a bunch of backend systems >>> > in sync and dues to bugs in there it does not work as expected. I >>> > really don’t think it is something you want to get into, but I >>> > sympathise that the TDWG site is broken and no-one is maintaining >>> > it… a simpler vanilla CMS solution that even requires more manual >>> > text editing etc. will be a far more manageable solution in my >>> > opinion. >>> > >>> > @TDWG Executive folks - is it still the intention to contract out and >>> > do a basic CMS site? >>> > If not, I’ll try and pull up the code but I’d need your approval >>> > to get him a DB dump as it holds user credentials / subscriptions etc. >>> > Please can you advise us? Anything we can do to help? >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Tim >>> > >>> > >>> > On 19 Sep 2014, at 23:05, Stoner, Dan <dstoner(a)acis.ufl.edu> wrote: >>> > >>> >> I see in the tdwg-tag mailing list archives that the status of the >>> >> Audubon Core Standard has been discussed recently: >>> >> >>> >> http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-tag/2014-June/002558.html >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> So consider this another poke about getting the web site updated with >>> >> the official status of the Standard. >>> >> >>> >> If there is anything I can do to facilitate the web site update, >>> >> please let me know (as in, I am volunteering to hack code or whatever >>> >> is needed). >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Thanks, >>> >> >>> >> Dan Stoner >>> >> iDigBio / ACIS Laboratory >>> >> University of Florida >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> tdwg-tag mailing list >>> >> tdwg-tag(a)lists.tdwg.org >>> >> http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tag >>> >> >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > tdwg-tag mailing list >>> > tdwg-tag(a)lists.tdwg.org >>> > http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tag >>> _______________________________________________ >>> tdwg mailing list >>> tdwg(a)lists.tdwg.org >>> http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg >>> _______________________________________________ >>> tdwg-content mailing list >>> tdwg-content(a)lists.tdwg.org >>> http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-content >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tdwg-content mailing list >> tdwg-content(a)lists.tdwg.org >> http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-content >> >> > -- Robert A. Morris Emeritus Professor of Computer Science UMASS-Boston 100 Morrissey Blvd Boston, MA 02125-3390 Filtered Push Project Harvard University Herbaria Harvard University email: morris.bob(a)gmail.com web: http://efg.cs.umb.edu/ web: http://wiki.filteredpush.org http://www.cs.umb.edu/~ram === The content of this communication is made entirely on my own behalf and in no way should be deemed to express official positions of The University of Massachusetts at Boston or Harvard University.

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Re: [tdwg-tag] [tdwg-content] [tdwg] another poke about Audubon Core status
by Blum, Stan 22 Sep '14

22 Sep '14

Just quickly, I got a short statement of work and budget worked out with the potential contractor last winter, but let the project go cold. That was entirely my fault. I had a couple contacts with them through the rest of the year just to maintain contact, and then started to push in late August. Key people were on vacation then, and since I’ve been pushing sending emails and making phone calls trying to get the project started. But I’ve only gotten one response, they’re still interested, but they didn’t tell me when we could start. If anyone knows another Typo3 contractor, I’d be happy to engage with them instead. (The one I’ve been trying to engage is in SF… so I should go knock on their door instead of sending email and phoning.) I’m going to keep trying… -Stan From: tdwg-content-bounces(a)lists.tdwg.org<mailto:tdwg-content-bounces@lists.tdwg.org> [mailto:tdwg-content-bounces@lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of James Macklin Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 8:59 AM To: Bob Morris Cc: tdwg(a)lists.tdwg.org<mailto:tdwg@lists.tdwg.org>; TDWG Content Mailing List; tdwg-tag(a)lists.tdwg.org<mailto:tdwg-tag@lists.tdwg.org>; Dave Vieglais Subject: Re: [tdwg-content] [tdwg] [tdwg-tag] another poke about Audubon Core status I am also in favor of the GitHub repo but we really need to hear from Stan about the status of the work he was having done on the TDWG site. We will need to decide which is the "official" repo but as others point out there is likely good reason to have duplication! We also need to figure out who has time to do this if we go forward. Looks like there have already been a couple of hands partly raised ;-) Best, James On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Bob Morris <morris.bob(a)gmail.com<mailto:morris.bob@gmail.com>> wrote: That was the answer in June too... On Sep 22, 2014 9:23 AM, "Kampmeier, Gail E" <gkamp(a)illinois.edu<mailto:gkamp@illinois.edu>> wrote: Stan Blum is working with contractors on the new TDWG site. --Gail ________________________________________ From: tdwg-bounces(a)lists.tdwg.org<mailto:tdwg-bounces@lists.tdwg.org> [tdwg-bounces(a)lists.tdwg.org<mailto:tdwg-bounces@lists.tdwg.org>] on behalf of Dave Vieglais [vieglais(a)ku.edu<mailto:vieglais@ku.edu>] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 08:20 To: Tim Robertson Cc: TDWG Content Mailing List; tdwg(a)lists.tdwg.org<mailto:tdwg@lists.tdwg.org>; tdwg-tag(a)lists.tdwg.org<mailto:tdwg-tag@lists.tdwg.org>; Stoner, Dan Subject: Re: [tdwg] [tdwg-tag] another poke about Audubon Core status Would a GitHub organization satisfy the requirements of the TDWG site? - Dave V. On 22 Sep 2014, at 8:46, Tim Robertson wrote: > Hi Dan, > > Thanks for your offer. > > As far as I recall, the TDWG executive decided at the last meeting to > move onto a whole new platform and put contractor money aside to make > it happen. > I’m reluctant to point you at the tangled mess of the current system > when I suspect it is to be replaced anyway. It really is a convoluted > mess of Typo3 plugins, which try and keep a bunch of backend systems > in sync and dues to bugs in there it does not work as expected. I > really don’t think it is something you want to get into, but I > sympathise that the TDWG site is broken and no-one is maintaining > it… a simpler vanilla CMS solution that even requires more manual > text editing etc. will be a far more manageable solution in my > opinion. > > @TDWG Executive folks - is it still the intention to contract out and > do a basic CMS site? > If not, I’ll try and pull up the code but I’d need your approval > to get him a DB dump as it holds user credentials / subscriptions etc. > Please can you advise us? Anything we can do to help? > > Thanks, > Tim > > > On 19 Sep 2014, at 23:05, Stoner, Dan <dstoner(a)acis.ufl.edu<mailto:dstoner@acis.ufl.edu>> wrote: > >> I see in the tdwg-tag mailing list archives that the status of the >> Audubon Core Standard has been discussed recently: >> >> http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-tag/2014-June/002558.html >> >> >> So consider this another poke about getting the web site updated with >> the official status of the Standard. >> >> If there is anything I can do to facilitate the web site update, >> please let me know (as in, I am volunteering to hack code or whatever >> is needed). >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dan Stoner >> iDigBio / ACIS Laboratory >> University of Florida >> _______________________________________________ >> tdwg-tag mailing list >> tdwg-tag(a)lists.tdwg.org<mailto:tdwg-tag@lists.tdwg.org> >> http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tag >> > > _______________________________________________ > tdwg-tag mailing list > tdwg-tag(a)lists.tdwg.org<mailto:tdwg-tag@lists.tdwg.org> > http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tag _______________________________________________ tdwg mailing list tdwg(a)lists.tdwg.org<mailto:tdwg@lists.tdwg.org> http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg _______________________________________________ tdwg-content mailing list tdwg-content(a)lists.tdwg.org<mailto:tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org> http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-content _______________________________________________ tdwg-content mailing list tdwg-content(a)lists.tdwg.org<mailto:tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org> http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-content

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