[tdwg-guid] Embedding LSID links within Publications

Mon Dec 3 11:05:31 CET 2007

Dear all,

Maybe this could also help in this discussion: here is an example how data
sets are cited in an existing publication:
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.palaeo.2007.03.030

best regards,
Robert

2007/12/3, Robert Huber <rhuber at wdc-mare.org>:
>
> Dear all,
>
> The usage of LSIDs and especially citing would be much easier if the usage
> of metadata would have been more precisely defined.
> Now, the recommendations allow the TDWGOntology as well as other 'well
> known vocabularies' = chaos.
>
> We should at least decide on a small set of _obligatory_ metadata
> elements, for example some dublin core fields?
> For new taxon names the citation of LSIDs would be much easier, because
> this metadata could then be placed somewhere in the references section such
> as Pyle, R, 2007: TaxonXY, ...some other metadata..., TheLSID
>
> best regards, Robert
>
>
> 2007/12/3, Richard Pyle <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org>:
> >
> >
> > Let's distinguish between the two separate places where there may be
> > LSIDs
> > in the document:
> >
> > 1) Underneath the header for each of the five new species described in
> > the
> > article.
> >
> > 2) Embedded within clicakble links scattered through the introduction,
> > discussion, etc. (what I call "prose"), which are not themselves
> > registered
> > nomenclatural acts; but are simply "links of convenince" to allow
> > someone
> > reading the PDF to simply click on a highlighted word or symbol and be
> > redirected (presumably through a web browser) to some sort of online
> > resource (image, video, SDD document, whatever...)
> >
> > As for #1, I believe that the LSID should be displayed to the human
> > reader
> > in full, and probably should *also* be a clickable link directly to the
> > ZooBank record for that LSID. Displaying the full LSID here is
> > appropriate,
> > because the publication itself represents the Code-governed creation
> > event
> > behind that LSID. It also does not interrupt the "flow", because there
> > is no
> > "flow" to the header of a new species account.
> >
> > As for #2, there is "flow" here, because people are reading a normal
> > paragraph or text. Offsetting a clickable word in blue or underlined or
> > with
> > some sort of Mouseover highlighting does not interrupt the flow -- but
> > inserting an LSID in parentheses within the text does interrupt the flow
> > of
> > reading.
> >
> > So....in this context, my current preferred way of displaying it in the
> > formatted PDF is:
> >
> > 1) Show the LSID for the 5 new species names, as part of header for the
> > new
> > species treatment (just like listing a holotype, etc.) The only question
> > here is whether I show only the UUID, or do I show the UUID "wrapped"
> > within
> > the LSID syntax.  In order to help promote LSIDs (in keeping with the
> > TDWG/GBIF agenda at the moment), I'm leaning towards displaying the
> > complete
> > LSID; but perhaps mentioning in the methods that the ZooBank
> > Registration ID
> > is the UUID, but they are shown formatted with complete LSID resolving
> > syntax.
> >
> > 2) Do not show the LSID for other clickable links within the "prose" of
> > the
> > document, but embed those LSIDs in the (hidden) link URL. I'm still not
> > sure
> > whether the word/name itself will be the clickable "thing", or whether
> > I'll
> > add some sort of standard symbol analagous to a footnote number that the
> > user would click.
> >
> > 3) Display full URLs in an "Appendix" sort of section, at the end of the
> >
> > rest of the article, so they can be seen via the paper-printed version.
> >
> > Does this make sense?  Or am I stoned...? :-)
> >
> > Rich
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Paul Kirk [mailto: p.kirk at cabi.org]
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 10:39 PM
> > > To: Richard Pyle; Gregor Hagedorn; tdwg-guid at lists.tdwg.org
> > > Subject: RE: [tdwg-guid] Embedding LSID links within Publications
> > >
> > > But Rich, the prose you refer to are the ... 'this is a
> > > really neat fish, just look at the video' discussion rather
> > > than the techie ICZN stuff ... Aus bus sp. nov ... LSID,
> > > Latin daignosis, holotype etc ...
> > > which, at the risk of being stoned (having rocks thrown at me
> > > ... ;-) ... I mean) as an heretic, could perhaps be usefully
> > > lost in an appendix, and thus disposed would not interrupt the flow.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: tdwg-guid-bounces at lists.tdwg.org
> > > [mailto: tdwg-guid-bounces at lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of Richard Pyle
> > > Sent: 01 December 2007 00:48
> > > To: 'Gregor Hagedorn'; tdwg-guid at lists.tdwg.org
> > > Subject: RE: [tdwg-guid] Embedding LSID links within Publications
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks, Gregor -- this is very helpful, and I pretty much agree.
> > >
> > > > In short: allow any normal publishing practice, consider it as a
> > > > special form of reference (like doi or ISBN) and observe the normal
> > > > publishing practices of citing, especially avoid
> > > redundancies. Rich, I
> > >
> > > > think you are too much thinking about general rules how to always
> > > > handle it - but publishing practice for good reasons does
> > > almost the
> > > > opposite (once and never again...).
> > >
> > > Fair enough....and I'm sure I am over-thinking this.
> > > However, I still see problems with your proposed approached,
> > > in that I do not want big, cumbersome LSIDs (even once)
> > > interrupting the flow of prose.
> > >
> > > I think I still favor the idea of a superscript indicator
> > > that can be easily ignored, easily clicked, and easily used
> > > to refer to a printed (not hidden) set of hyperlinks
> > > following the "Literature Cited" section.
> > > I think this strikes a resonable compromise/balance between
> > > how things are done in the publishing world, and how *I*
> > > think things *should* be done in the publishing world....
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > Rich
> > >
> > >
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-- 
Dr. Robert Huber,

WDC-MARE / PANGAEA - www.pangaea.de
Stratigraphy.net - www.stratigraphy.net
_____________________________________________
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