Dear all,<br><br>Maybe this could also help in this discussion: here is an example how data sets are cited in an existing publication:<br><a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.palaeo.2007.03.030">http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.palaeo.2007.03.030
</a><br><br>best regards,<br>Robert<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">2007/12/3, Robert Huber <<a href="mailto:rhuber@wdc-mare.org">rhuber@wdc-mare.org</a>>:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<span class="q">Dear all,<br><br>The usage of LSIDs and especially citing would be much easier if the usage of metadata would have been more precisely defined.<br>Now, the recommendations allow the TDWGOntology as well as other 'well known vocabularies' = chaos.
<br><br>We should at least decide on a small set of _obligatory_ metadata elements, for example some dublin core fields?<br>For
new taxon names the citation of LSIDs would be much easier, because
this metadata could then be placed somewhere in the references section
such as Pyle, R, 2007: TaxonXY, ...some other metadata..., TheLSID
<br><br>best regards, Robert<br><br><br></span><div><span class="q"><span class="gmail_quote">2007/12/3, Richard Pyle <<a href="mailto:deepreef@bishopmuseum.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
deepreef@bishopmuseum.org</a>>:</span></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><span class="e" id="q_1169f6b38ae9e5f0_4"><br>Let's distinguish between the two separate places where there may be LSIDs<br>in the document:<br><br>1) Underneath the header for each of the five new species described in the
<br>article.<br><br>2) Embedded within clicakble links scattered through the introduction,
<br>discussion, etc. (what I call "prose"), which are not themselves registered<br>nomenclatural acts; but are simply "links of convenince" to allow someone<br>reading the PDF to simply click on a highlighted word or symbol and be
<br>redirected (presumably through a web browser) to some sort of online<br>resource (image, video, SDD document, whatever...)<br><br>As for #1, I believe that the LSID should be displayed to the human reader<br>in full, and probably should *also* be a clickable link directly to the
<br>ZooBank record for that LSID. Displaying the full LSID here is appropriate,<br>because the publication itself represents the Code-governed creation event<br>behind that LSID. It also does not interrupt the "flow", because there is no
<br>"flow" to the header of a new species account.<br><br>As for #2, there is "flow" here, because people are reading a normal<br>paragraph or text. Offsetting a clickable word in blue or underlined or with
<br>some sort of Mouseover highlighting does not interrupt the flow -- but<br>inserting an LSID in parentheses within the text does interrupt the flow of<br>reading.<br><br>So....in this context, my current preferred way of displaying it in the
<br>formatted PDF is:<br><br>1) Show the LSID for the 5 new species names, as part of header for the new<br>species treatment (just like listing a holotype, etc.) The only question<br>here is whether I show only the UUID, or do I show the UUID "wrapped" within
<br>the LSID syntax. In order to help promote LSIDs (in keeping with the<br>TDWG/GBIF agenda at the moment), I'm leaning towards displaying the complete<br>LSID; but perhaps mentioning in the methods that the ZooBank Registration ID
<br>is the UUID, but they are shown formatted with complete LSID resolving<br>syntax.<br><br>2) Do not show the LSID for other clickable links within the "prose" of the<br>document, but embed those LSIDs in the (hidden) link URL. I'm still not sure
<br>whether the word/name itself will be the clickable "thing", or whether I'll<br>add some sort of standard symbol analagous to a footnote number that the<br>user would click.<br><br>3) Display full URLs in an "Appendix" sort of section, at the end of the
<br>rest of the article, so they can be seen via the paper-printed version.<br><br>Does this make sense? Or am I stoned...? :-)<br><br>Rich<br><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: Paul Kirk [mailto:<a href="mailto:p.kirk@cabi.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
p.kirk@cabi.org</a>]<br>> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 10:39 PM<br>> To: Richard Pyle; Gregor Hagedorn; <a href="mailto:tdwg-guid@lists.tdwg.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
tdwg-guid@lists.tdwg.org</a><br>> Subject: RE: [tdwg-guid] Embedding LSID links within Publications
<br>><br>> But Rich, the prose you refer to are the ... 'this is a<br>> really neat fish, just look at the video' discussion rather<br>> than the techie ICZN stuff ... Aus bus sp. nov ... LSID,<br>> Latin daignosis, holotype etc ...
<br>> which, at the risk of being stoned (having rocks thrown at me<br>> ... ;-) ... I mean) as an heretic, could perhaps be usefully<br>> lost in an appendix, and thus disposed would not interrupt the flow.<br>
>
<br>> Paul<br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: <a href="mailto:tdwg-guid-bounces@lists.tdwg.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">tdwg-guid-bounces@lists.tdwg.org
</a><br>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:tdwg-guid-bounces@lists.tdwg.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
tdwg-guid-bounces@lists.tdwg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Richard Pyle<br>> Sent: 01 December 2007 00:48<br>> To: 'Gregor Hagedorn'; <a href="mailto:tdwg-guid@lists.tdwg.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
tdwg-guid@lists.tdwg.org</a><br>> Subject: RE: [tdwg-guid] Embedding LSID links within Publications
<br>><br>><br>> Thanks, Gregor -- this is very helpful, and I pretty much agree.<br>><br>> > In short: allow any normal publishing practice, consider it as a<br>> > special form of reference (like doi or ISBN) and observe the normal
<br>> > publishing practices of citing, especially avoid<br>> redundancies. Rich, I<br>><br>> > think you are too much thinking about general rules how to always<br>> > handle it - but publishing practice for good reasons does
<br>> almost the<br>> > opposite (once and never again...).<br>><br>> Fair enough....and I'm sure I am over-thinking this.<br>> However, I still see problems with your proposed approached,<br>> in that I do not want big, cumbersome LSIDs (even once)
<br>> interrupting the flow of prose.<br>><br>> I think I still favor the idea of a superscript indicator<br>> that can be easily ignored, easily clicked, and easily used<br>> to refer to a printed (not hidden) set of hyperlinks
<br>> following the "Literature Cited" section.<br>> I think this strikes a resonable compromise/balance between<br>> how things are done in the publishing world, and how *I*<br>> think things *should* be done in the publishing world....
<br>><br>> :-)<br>><br>> Rich<br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> tdwg-guid mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:tdwg-guid@lists.tdwg.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
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