[tdwg-guid] Embedding LSID links within Publications

Mon Dec 3 10:51:52 CET 2007

Dear all,

The usage of LSIDs and especially citing would be much easier if the usage
of metadata would have been more precisely defined.
Now, the recommendations allow the TDWGOntology as well as other 'well known
vocabularies' = chaos.

We should at least decide on a small set of _obligatory_ metadata elements,
for example some dublin core fields?
For new taxon names the citation of LSIDs would be much easier, because this
metadata could then be placed somewhere in the references section such as
Pyle, R, 2007: TaxonXY, ...some other metadata..., TheLSID

best regards, Robert

2007/12/3, Richard Pyle <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org>:
>
>
> Let's distinguish between the two separate places where there may be LSIDs
> in the document:
>
> 1) Underneath the header for each of the five new species described in the
> article.
>
> 2) Embedded within clicakble links scattered through the introduction,
> discussion, etc. (what I call "prose"), which are not themselves
> registered
> nomenclatural acts; but are simply "links of convenince" to allow someone
> reading the PDF to simply click on a highlighted word or symbol and be
> redirected (presumably through a web browser) to some sort of online
> resource (image, video, SDD document, whatever...)
>
> As for #1, I believe that the LSID should be displayed to the human reader
> in full, and probably should *also* be a clickable link directly to the
> ZooBank record for that LSID. Displaying the full LSID here is
> appropriate,
> because the publication itself represents the Code-governed creation event
> behind that LSID. It also does not interrupt the "flow", because there is
> no
> "flow" to the header of a new species account.
>
> As for #2, there is "flow" here, because people are reading a normal
> paragraph or text. Offsetting a clickable word in blue or underlined or
> with
> some sort of Mouseover highlighting does not interrupt the flow -- but
> inserting an LSID in parentheses within the text does interrupt the flow
> of
> reading.
>
> So....in this context, my current preferred way of displaying it in the
> formatted PDF is:
>
> 1) Show the LSID for the 5 new species names, as part of header for the
> new
> species treatment (just like listing a holotype, etc.) The only question
> here is whether I show only the UUID, or do I show the UUID "wrapped"
> within
> the LSID syntax.  In order to help promote LSIDs (in keeping with the
> TDWG/GBIF agenda at the moment), I'm leaning towards displaying the
> complete
> LSID; but perhaps mentioning in the methods that the ZooBank Registration
> ID
> is the UUID, but they are shown formatted with complete LSID resolving
> syntax.
>
> 2) Do not show the LSID for other clickable links within the "prose" of
> the
> document, but embed those LSIDs in the (hidden) link URL. I'm still not
> sure
> whether the word/name itself will be the clickable "thing", or whether
> I'll
> add some sort of standard symbol analagous to a footnote number that the
> user would click.
>
> 3) Display full URLs in an "Appendix" sort of section, at the end of the
> rest of the article, so they can be seen via the paper-printed version.
>
> Does this make sense?  Or am I stoned...? :-)
>
> Rich
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Kirk [mailto:p.kirk at cabi.org]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 10:39 PM
> > To: Richard Pyle; Gregor Hagedorn; tdwg-guid at lists.tdwg.org
> > Subject: RE: [tdwg-guid] Embedding LSID links within Publications
> >
> > But Rich, the prose you refer to are the ... 'this is a
> > really neat fish, just look at the video' discussion rather
> > than the techie ICZN stuff ... Aus bus sp. nov ... LSID,
> > Latin daignosis, holotype etc ...
> > which, at the risk of being stoned (having rocks thrown at me
> > ... ;-) ... I mean) as an heretic, could perhaps be usefully
> > lost in an appendix, and thus disposed would not interrupt the flow.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tdwg-guid-bounces at lists.tdwg.org
> > [mailto:tdwg-guid-bounces at lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of Richard Pyle
> > Sent: 01 December 2007 00:48
> > To: 'Gregor Hagedorn'; tdwg-guid at lists.tdwg.org
> > Subject: RE: [tdwg-guid] Embedding LSID links within Publications
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Gregor -- this is very helpful, and I pretty much agree.
> >
> > > In short: allow any normal publishing practice, consider it as a
> > > special form of reference (like doi or ISBN) and observe the normal
> > > publishing practices of citing, especially avoid
> > redundancies. Rich, I
> >
> > > think you are too much thinking about general rules how to always
> > > handle it - but publishing practice for good reasons does
> > almost the
> > > opposite (once and never again...).
> >
> > Fair enough....and I'm sure I am over-thinking this.
> > However, I still see problems with your proposed approached,
> > in that I do not want big, cumbersome LSIDs (even once)
> > interrupting the flow of prose.
> >
> > I think I still favor the idea of a superscript indicator
> > that can be easily ignored, easily clicked, and easily used
> > to refer to a printed (not hidden) set of hyperlinks
> > following the "Literature Cited" section.
> > I think this strikes a resonable compromise/balance between
> > how things are done in the publishing world, and how *I*
> > think things *should* be done in the publishing world....
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Rich
> >
> >
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