[tdwg-content] Relation of GNA to TDWG vocabularies

Sat Nov 13 16:15:29 CET 2010

I completely agree with Roger. - Pete

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 4:17 AM, Roger Hyam <rogerhyam at mac.com> wrote:

> I think we need a mother of all points at the beginning
>
> 0) Clearly defined use-cases/scenarios/competency questions that have
> enough detail to act as tests of any proposed solutions. Without these we
> will continue to bob around in the sea of good ideas and never arrive at any
> destination.
>
> Who is it for? What will it enable them to do? Do they want/need to do it?
>
>
>

> On 13 Nov 2010, at 08:30, Kevin Richards <RichardsK at landcareresearch.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
> 'Effective tools' to do X, Y & Z always seem to be on the agenda, but I'm
> not sure it is the tools that are the hold up.  Unfortunately I think it
> boils down to funding... I'm sure if we had adequate funding to get people
> together for the required length of time, working on the right stuff etc,
> etc, then we would make fantastic progress.
>
> I'm thinking a really good session with a basic UML tool would be a big
> step forward.  I have got hold of a UML tool and intend to have a go at a
> core tdwg model.  I think it would be great then if we could organise a
> session on working on this model.
>
> Kevin
>
> Sent from my HTC
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Lee Belbin" <leebelbin at gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, Nov 13, 2010 3:42 pm
> Subject: [tdwg-content] Relation of GNA to TDWG vocabularies
> To: "tdwg-content at lists.tdwg.org" <tdwg-content at lists.tdwg.org>
>
>  Well stated Stan, but I'd add a third-
>
> 3. Effective tool/s for viewing (graph, sub-graph, tables, properties
> etc.),
> add/delete/modify with adaptable governance control (e.g., assigned
> management
> to sub-graph domains), annotate (with full logging of who did what, when
> and
> how...). This is in effect a collaboration tool.
>
> Until we have a tool (preferable to tools) that can be intuitive and
> effective
> for building, managing and deploying /exporting vocabs or ontologies, we
> will
> struggle with this socially and technically tough, but very necessary task.
> The
> social issues are the hardest, but an effective collaboration tool would be
> a
> big help.
>
> A tool that will be readily embraced  by #2 (the domain specialists) seems
> far
> more important than the tools I've seen so far that are embraced by #1
> (e.g.
> Protégé).
>
> That we don't have a TDWG ontology is an increasing worry.
>
> Lee
>
> Lee Belbin
> Geospatial Team Leader
> Atlas of Living Australia
>
>
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>
> Progress on the TDWG ontology seems to require:
>
> 1) one or more people with good sense of what can be done with ontologies,
> both
> in the near-term and long-term; and
> 2) one or more people who understand the way information is partitioned in
> this
> domain and how it could fit together.
>
> I think we have a lot of #2, but not many of #1.
>
> FYI, we have seed money to bring these categories together.
>
> -Stan
>
>
> On 11/12/10 2:25 PM, "Bob Morris" <morris.bob at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Richard Pyle
> > <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> [...] the current status of the TDWG-Ontology efforts.  The Google
> >> Code website seems a bit anemic,
> >
> > Ooh, I love that line.  I think I'll put it in the script of my next
> > animation, to be titled: "Alpha and Beta discuss the current status of
> > of the TDWG-Ontology efforts"
> >
> > Thanks for correcting the URL.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > Robert A. Morris
> > Emeritus Professor  of Computer Science UMASS-Boston
> > 100 Morrissey Blvd
> > Boston, MA 02125-3390
> > Associate, Harvard University Herbaria
> > email: <morris.bob at gmail.com>morris.bob at gmail.com
> > web: <http://bdei.cs.umb.edu/>http://bdei.cs.umb.edu/
> > web: <http://etaxonomy.org/mw/FilteredPush>
> http://etaxonomy.org/mw/FilteredPush
> > <http://www.cs.umb.edu/~ram>http://www.cs.umb.edu/~ram
> > phone (+1) 857 222 7992 (mobile)
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