[tdwg-content] Relation of GNA to TDWG vocabularies

Sat Nov 13 19:50:26 CET 2010

Just FYI, there *are* mechanisms to obtain funding for exactly this.  
NSF funds workshops, though perhaps this would be too "applied" of a  
topic, but specifically BioSynC and NESCent fund working groups that  
want to meet and collaborate face-to-face on synthetic questions.  The  
Comparative Data Analysis Ontology (CDAO). for example, was (one of)  
the result(s) of a NESCent working group called "Evolutionary  
Informatics".

	-hilmar

On Nov 13, 2010, at 5:17 AM, Roger Hyam wrote:

> I think we need a mother of all points at the beginning
>
> 0) Clearly defined use-cases/scenarios/competency questions that  
> have enough detail to act as tests of any proposed solutions.  
> Without these we will continue to bob around in the sea of good  
> ideas and never arrive at any destination.
>
> Who is it for? What will it enable them to do? Do they want/need to  
> do it?
>
>
> On 13 Nov 2010, at 08:30, Kevin Richards <RichardsK at landcareresearch.co.nz 
> > wrote:
>
>> 'Effective tools' to do X, Y & Z always seem to be on the agenda,  
>> but I'm not sure it is the tools that are the hold up.   
>> Unfortunately I think it boils down to funding... I'm sure if we  
>> had adequate funding to get people together for the required length  
>> of time, working on the right stuff etc, etc, then we would make  
>> fantastic progress.
>>
>> I'm thinking a really good session with a basic UML tool would be a  
>> big step forward.  I have got hold of a UML tool and intend to have  
>> a go at a core tdwg model.  I think it would be great then if we  
>> could organise a session on working on this model.
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> Sent from my HTC
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Lee Belbin" <leebelbin at gmail.com>
>> Date: Sat, Nov 13, 2010 3:42 pm
>> Subject: [tdwg-content] Relation of GNA to TDWG vocabularies
>> To: "tdwg-content at lists.tdwg.org" <tdwg-content at lists.tdwg.org>
>>
>> Well stated Stan, but I'd add a third-
>>
>> 3. Effective tool/s for viewing (graph, sub-graph, tables,  
>> properties etc.),
>> add/delete/modify with adaptable governance control (e.g., assigned  
>> management
>> to sub-graph domains), annotate (with full logging of who did what,  
>> when and
>> how...). This is in effect a collaboration tool.
>>
>> Until we have a tool (preferable to tools) that can be intuitive  
>> and effective
>> for building, managing and deploying /exporting vocabs or  
>> ontologies, we will
>> struggle with this socially and technically tough, but very  
>> necessary task. The
>> social issues are the hardest, but an effective collaboration tool  
>> would be a
>> big help.
>>
>> A tool that will be readily embraced  by #2 (the domain  
>> specialists) seems far
>> more important than the tools I've seen so far that are embraced by  
>> #1 (e.g.
>> Protégé).
>>
>> That we don't have a TDWG ontology is an increasing worry.
>>
>> Lee
>>
>> Lee Belbin
>> Geospatial Team Leader
>> Atlas of Living Australia
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tdwg-content-bounces at lists.tdwg.org
>> [mailto:tdwg-content-bounces at lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of Blum, Stan
>> Sent: Saturday, 13 November 2010 9:43 AM
>> To: tdwg-content at lists.tdwg.org
>> Subject: Re: [tdwg-content] Relation of GNA to TDWG vocabularies
>>
>> Progress on the TDWG ontology seems to require:
>>
>> 1) one or more people with good sense of what can be done with  
>> ontologies, both
>> in the near-term and long-term; and
>> 2) one or more people who understand the way information is  
>> partitioned in this
>> domain and how it could fit together.
>>
>> I think we have a lot of #2, but not many of #1.
>>
>> FYI, we have seed money to bring these categories together.
>>
>> -Stan
>>
>>
>> On 11/12/10 2:25 PM, "Bob Morris" <morris.bob at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Richard Pyle
>> > <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> [...] the current status of the TDWG-Ontology efforts.  The Google
>> >> Code website seems a bit anemic,
>> >
>> > Ooh, I love that line.  I think I'll put it in the script of my  
>> next
>> > animation, to be titled: "Alpha and Beta discuss the current  
>> status of
>> > of the TDWG-Ontology efforts"
>> >
>> > Thanks for correcting the URL.
>> >
>> > Bob
>> >
>> >
>> > Robert A. Morris
>> > Emeritus Professor  of Computer Science UMASS-Boston
>> > 100 Morrissey Blvd
>> > Boston, MA 02125-3390
>> > Associate, Harvard University Herbaria
>> > email: morris.bob at gmail.com
>> > web: http://bdei.cs.umb.edu/
>> > web: http://etaxonomy.org/mw/FilteredPush
>> > http://www.cs.umb.edu/~ram
>> > phone (+1) 857 222 7992 (mobile)
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