[Tdwg-tag] Why should data providers supply search and query services?
morris.bob at gmail.com
Fri Mar 3 13:50:42 CET 2006
Umm...there is a distinguishable class of data consumers, namely
applications, and so a distinguishable constituency whose burden is
relevant, namely application writers. Some applications may well be
motivated to query providers directly for a number of reasons, including:
- the data indexers currency policies may be unsuitable
- the data indexers may aggregate in undesirable ways [the present
model seems to be that indexer==portal, but I doubt that is general]
- the data indexers may index too promiscuously or not promiscuously
enough for the application's taste [this might be a non-issue if there were
a way for a machine to understand what exactly the indexing strategy is and
perhaps how to induce the indexer to alter it, but that sounds hard]
- portals, and maybe indexers---indeed, any processor of the
data---can intentionally or inadvertantly hide assumptions about how the
data will be used, making it unsuited for uses that don't meet these
assumptions. Put another way, it is probably difficult to insure that a
machine-enforceable contract is possible between aggregators and
applications that assures the application that records obtained from the
aggregator or identical to those available from the provider. I think it is
even a deep problem to have machine-understandable "fitness for use"
metadata that would allow a machine to understand what fitness contract the
aggregator is actually offering.
In general it should never be harder to query providers than aggregators,
especially if it is difficult for a machine to understand what, if any,
point of view the aggregator has imposed on the view they offer of the
People are no doubt tired of hearing this from me, but my position is always
that modeling data consumers as humans is dangerously constricting. Humans
are too smart and readily deal with lots of violations of the principle of
least amazement, whereas machines don't. In point of fact, except for those
on paper, stone, clay tablets and the like, there is no such thing as a
database accessed by a human. They all have software between the human and
the data provision service. From this I conclude that in your trinity
below, reduction of the burden on humans actually falls to the applications,
and so I think TAGs requirement is to reduce the burden on application
writers (including those of TDWG itself, but also all others in the world)
in their quest to reduce the burden on human data consumers. My intuition is
that this will lead to a different analysis than thinking about humans as
consumers, but at the moment I have no specific examples to offer.
A little more is interspersed below.
On 3/1/06, Roger Hyam <roger at tdwg.org> wrote:
> This is a little more of a controversial question that has been suggested:
> "Why should data providers supply search and query services?"
> - We have many potential data providers (potentially every
> collection and institution).
> - We have many potential data consumers (potentially every
> researcher with a laptop).
> - We have a few potential data indexers (GBIF, ORBIS , etc + others
> to come).
> The implementation burden should therefore be:
> - Light for the providers - who's role is to conserve data and
> physical objects.
> - Light for the consumer - who's role is to do research not mess
> with data handling.
> - Heavy for the indexers - who's core business is making the data
> Data providers should give the objects they curate GUIDs. This is
> important because it stamps their ownership (and responsibility) on that
> piece of data. They then need to run an LSID service that serves the
> (meta)data for the objects they own. *There work should stop at this
> point!* They should not have to implement search and query services. They
> should not anticipate what people will require by way of data access - that
> is a separate function.
> Data consumers should be able to access indexing services that pool
> information from multiple data providers. They should not have to run
> federated queries across multiple data providers or have to discover
> providers as this is complex and difficult (though they may want to browse
> round data providers like they would browse links on web pages). Once they
> have retrieved the GUIDs of the objects they are interested in from the
> indexers they may want to call the data providers for more detailed
> Data indexers should crawl the data exposed by the providers and index
> them in thematic ways. e.g. provide geographic or taxon focused services.
> This is a complex job as it involves doing clever, innovative things with
> data and optimization of searches etc.
> Currently we are trying to make every data provider support searching and
> querying when the consumers aren't really interested in querying or
> searching individual providers - they want to search thematically across
Restated, this sentence may fall in my class of questions forbidden to
software architects, namely that class of questions that begin with the
words "Why would anybody ever want to ..."
If a big data provider wants to provide search and query then they can set
> themselves up as both a provider and an indexer - which is more or less what
> everyone is forced to do now - but the functions are separate.
> Data providers would have to implement a little more than just an LSID
> resolver services for this to work. They would need to provide a single web
> service method (URL call) that allowed indexers to get lists of LSIDs they
> hold that have had their (meta)data modified since a certain date but this
> would be a relatively simple thing compared with providing arbitrary query
> I believe (though I haven't done a thorough analysis of log data ) that
> this is more or less the situation now. Data providers implement complete
> DiGIR or BioCASE protocols but are only queried in a limited way by portal
> engines. Consumers go directly to portals for their data discovery. So why
> implement full search and query at the data provider nodes of the network
> (possibly the hardest thing we have to do) when it may not be used?
> This may be controversial. What do you think?
I'm not sure about controversial, but I am pretty sure that what you are
pointing at is a warehouse model. I don't know if I am prepared to agree
that all possible present and future concerns of TDWG can be answered by
data warehouses. In particular, if you analyse log data of a warehouse, it
won't be too surprising if the conclusion is that users are behaving as
though they mainly need a warehouse. [To data consumers a warehouse and a
portal are indistinguishable. I think.]
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