[tdwg-content] Darwin Core review

Mon May 11 16:03:37 CEST 2009

Hi Peter

> - Is Darwin Core now officially in public review?

Not yet but very close!  The final requests from the peer review need  
to be handled, but I don't think they are major changes.

> - If yes, how should people comment on DwC (see also emails from Gail
> Kampmeier): through this mailing list or using the (better suited?)
> issue tracker on Google Code, where more than 130 term pages are
> missing for discussion (404 errors)?

I believe this will be made clear when the public review is opened - I  
don't know at this stage either, but suspect it will not be the list  
due to the manageability of addressing all comments...

> In other words, can I forward DwC for review to the Canadensys
> community now or do you want us to wait?

I would suggest it is worth waiting for the public review to open to  
make sure all comments are collated and addressed properly.  It's  
great that you are itching to contribute!

Cheers,

Tim

>
>
> Peter
>
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 8:43 AM, "Markus Döring (GBIF)"
> <mdoering at gbif.org> wrote:
>> thanks for this mail, peter!
>> john is currently on fieldwork in argentina, so he is offline for  
>> lots of
>> time, so please excuse his silence over long periods.
>> He will be glad to see your comments I will imagine.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Markus
>>
>>
>> On May 7, 2009, at 9:11 PM, Peter Desmet wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> As Marküs informed me last time, I should post all my Darwin Core
>>> remarks on this list.
>>> Most of my remarks are about missing information in the complete
>>> historical record (see below), except the following:
>>>
>>> 1. Great work!! I haven't had time to read the full documentation  
>>> yet,
>>> but I'm very glad everything is so well documented now. It answers a
>>> lot of questions and it will greatly facilitate the adoption of the
>>> standard. Over the last 2 years I have given several presentations
>>> about Darwin Core to data publishers, but with all the current
>>> improvements, it will be a blast to do this! Especially the use of
>>> classes (instead of core and extentions) makes it much easier to  
>>> grasp
>>> conceptually.
>>>
>>> 2. Is Darwin Core now officially in public review? Will we receive  
>>> an
>>> invitation email to review (which I could forward)?
>>>
>>> 3. What is the reasoning behind changing all the term names from
>>> UpperCamelCase to lowerCamelCase?
>>>
>>> 4. HABITAT
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/index.htm#habitat
>>>>
>>>> I don't think I agree the best practice for this term is to use a
>>>> controlled vocabulary. This field can contain plenty of text  
>>>> information
>>>> that may be lost if one switches to a controlled vocabulary.
>>>
>>> 5. GEODETICDATUM
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/index.htm#geodeticDatum
>>>>
>>>> So you need to use the same geodetic datum for the verbatim  
>>>> coordinates
>>>> as for the decimal lat & long?
>>>
>>> 6. PREVIOUSIDENTIFICATIONS
>>>
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#previousIdentifications-2009-04-24
>>>>
>>>> Under the current definition (and examples) of  
>>>> previousIdentifications,
>>>> this list can include person names and dates. This is significantly
>>>> different from the previous definition: "A list (concatenated and  
>>>> separated)
>>>> of previous ScientificNames to which the sample was identified".  
>>>> In my
>>>> opinion this old definition should be kept in the complete  
>>>> historical
>>>> record, with a "replaced by" link.
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------ MISSING/INCORRECT INFORMATION ------------
>>>
>>> 1. The following historical classes cannot be found (anymore) in the
>>> complete historical record. If added, they should have a "replaced  
>>> by"
>>> link and the new term should have a "replaces link" (except if new
>>> term is part of Dublin Core).
>>>
>>>> Sample (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#Occurrence-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingEvent (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#Event-2008-11-19)
>>>> SamplingLocation (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#Location-2009-04-24)
>>>> SampleAttribute (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#MeasurementOrFact-2009-04-24)
>>>> EventAttribute (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#MeasurementOrFact-2009-04-24)
>>>> AccessConstraints (now
>>>> http://dublincore.org/documents/dcmi-terms/#terms-accessRights)
>>>> Generalizations (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#dataGeneralizations-2009-04-24)
>>>> SampleRemarks (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#occurrenceRemarks-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingEventID (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#eventID-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingEventRemarks (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#eventRemarks-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingEventAttributes (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#dynamicProperties-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingLocationID (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#locationID-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingLocationRemarks (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#locationRemarks-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingAttributeID and EventAttributeID (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#measurementID-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingAttributeType and EventAttributeType (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#measurementType-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingAttributeValue and EventAttributeValue (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#measurementValue-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingAttributeAccuracy and EventAttributeAccuracy (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#measurementAccuracy-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingAttributeUnit and EventAttributeUnit (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#measurementUnit-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingAttributeDeterminedDate and EventAttributeDeterminedDate  
>>>> (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#measurementDeterminedDate-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingAttributeDeterminedBy and EventAttributeDeterminedBy (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#measurementDeterminedBy-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingAttributeRemarks and EventAttributeRemarks (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#measurementRemarks-2009-04-24)
>>>
>>> 2. There are plenty of missing discussion pages on the Google Code
>>> website. See attachment for full list.
>>>
>>> 3. See remarks per term.
>>>
>>> OCCURENCE
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/index.htm#Occurrence
>>>>
>>>> Details links to 2008-11-19, not to the more recent 2009-04-24.
>>>
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#Occurrence-2009-04-24
>>>>
>>>> Date modified: 2008-11-19?
>>>> No "replaces" link to 2008-11-19
>>>
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#Occurrence-2008-11-19
>>>>
>>>> Date modified: 2008-04-24?
>>>> Status: recommended?
>>>> No "replaced by" link to 2008-04-24
>>>
>>> -----
>>> LOCATION
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#Location-2009-04-24
>>>>
>>>> Status: recommended?
>>>> No "replaced by" link to dcterms:Location
>>>
>>> -----
>>> TAXON
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/index.htm#Taxon
>>>>
>>>> Details link to 2008-11-19, not to the more recent 2009-01-23.
>>>
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#Taxon-2008-11-19
>>>>
>>>> No "replaced by" link to 2009-01-23
>>>> Status: recommended?
>>>
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#Taxon-2009-01-23
>>>>
>>>> No "replaces" link to 2008-11-19
>>>
>>> -----
>>> INFORMATIONWITHHELD
>>> Some of the examples in
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/index.htm#informationWithheld are  
>>> better
>>> placed in
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/index.htm#dataGeneralizations
>>> -----
>>> RELATEDINFORMATION
>>>
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#RelatedInformation-2007-04-17
>>>>
>>>> No "replaces" link to
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#RecordURL-2005-07-10
>>>
>>> -----
>>> CONDITION
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/index.htm#reproductiveCondition
>>>>
>>>> The reproductive condition of the biological individual(s): should
>>>> include plural?
>>>
>>> -----
>>> BEHAVIOR
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#behavior-2009-04-24
>>>>
>>>> The decision
>>>> (http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/decisions/index.htm#Decision-2009-03-06_1 
>>>> )
>>>> mentions SamplingEvent and Sample, two now historical classes.
>>>
>>> -----
>>> CATALOGNUMBERNUMERIC
>>>
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#CatalogNumberNumeric-2003-06-17
>>> Is now historical, but there is no "replaced by" link (probably to:
>>>
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#otherCatalogNumbers-2009-04-24)
>>> -----
>>> EVENTDATE
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#eventDate-2009-04-24
>>>>
>>>> Split the replaces link in two: EarliestDateCollected &
>>>> LatestDateCollected
>>>
>>> -----
>>> EVENTTIME
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#eventTime-2009-04-24
>>>>
>>>> Split the replaces link in two: StartTimeOfDay & EndTimeOfDay
>>>
>>> -----
>>> BINOMIAL
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#binomial-2008-11-19
>>>>
>>>> Is not used in the DwC terms, but has the status: recommended.
>>>
>>> -----
>>> RELATEDRESOURCETYPE
>>>
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#relatedResourceType-2009-04-24
>>>>
>>>> Is not used in the DwC terms, but has the status: recommended.
>>>
>>> -----
>>> RELATEDBASISOFRECORD
>>>
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#RelatedBasisOfRecord-2008-11-19
>>>>
>>>> Is not used in the DwC terms, but has the status: recommended.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter Desmet
>>> Biodiversity Informatics Manager / Directeur de l'informatique de la
>>> biodiversité
>>> Montréal Biodiversity Centre / Centre sur la biodiversité de  
>>> Montréal
>>> Canadensys - www.canadensys.net
>>>
>>> Institut de recherche en biologie végétale
>>> Université de Montréal
>>> 4101 Rue Sherbrooke Est
>>> Montréal, Québec, H1X2B2
>>> Canada
>>>
>>> Télé / Phone: 514-872-5249
>>> Télécopie / Fax: 514-872-9406
>>> Email: peter.desmet.cubc at gmail.com
>>> <missing_discussion_pages.txt>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Peter Desmet
> Biodiversity Informatics Manager / Directeur de l'informatique de la
> biodiversité
> Montréal Biodiversity Centre / Centre sur la biodiversité de Montréal
> Canadensys - www.canadensys.net
>
> Institut de recherche en biologie végétale
> Université de Montréal
> 4101 Rue Sherbrooke Est
> Montréal, Québec, H1X2B2
> Canada
>
> Télé / Phone: 514-872-5249
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