[tdwg-content] Darwin Core review
Gail Kampmeier
gkamp at illinois.edu
Mon May 11 16:16:12 CEST 2009
At 9:57 AM -0400 5/11/09, Peter Desmet wrote:
>Thanks Marküs,
>
>Would it be possible for you to answer the two following questions?
>- Is Darwin Core now officially in public review?
No, it is not. It has been through the initial
peer reivew, the authors have revised the
submission substantially, and as Review Manager I
am going through the revisions once more,
catching/commenting on more things that need to
be corrected before before making a
recommendation to the Executive Committee, who
then signs off on taking this for the official
public review. Announcements for the public
review will be made in multiple venues to get the
widest possible feedback. Then it will go to a
vote.
One of my early comments was that the statement
on all of the documents that this was now in
public review, is incorrect.
For better or worse I started to use this forum
(tdwg-content) for my comments because I knew
that John was in the field (and his leaving was
at a time when I had poor to non-existent email
access) and I had hoped that other members of the
team might be able to pick up some of the slack
once I got a chance to start looking again. I
don't know how many people are on this list, whom
I've been "bothering" :-/.
>- If yes, how should people comment on DwC (see also emails from Gail
>Kampmeier): through this mailing list or using the (better suited?)
>issue tracker on Google Code, where more than 130 term pages are
>missing for discussion (404 errors)?
>
> In other words, can I forward DwC for review to the Canadensys
>community now or do you want us to wait?
WAIT please. This is not ready yet, but we're
getting there. Most importantly, a system for
feedback needs to be established. This is not
the traditional method of presenting a standard
(as a Word file, where you could use track
changes to comment or make wording suggestions),
but it is the way that this standard will be
used, and thus it was deemed the best way to
proceed. We do need some way for others to
contribute (Markus, Tim, ...?) to the public
review, and my question is, is this forum
(tdwg-content) it? I am assuming that this is
DwC-centric and does not apply to any other
standards.
Cheers!
Gail
>
>Peter
>
>
>On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 8:43 AM, "Markus Döring (GBIF)"
><mdoering at gbif.org> wrote:
>> thanks for this mail, peter!
>> john is currently on fieldwork in argentina, so he is offline for lots of
>> time, so please excuse his silence over long periods.
>> He will be glad to see your comments I will imagine.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Markus
>>
>>
>> On May 7, 2009, at 9:11 PM, Peter Desmet wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> As Marküs informed me last time, I should post all my Darwin Core
>>> remarks on this list.
>>> Most of my remarks are about missing information in the complete
>>> historical record (see below), except the following:
>>>
>>> 1. Great work!! I haven't had time to read the full documentation yet,
>>> but I'm very glad everything is so well documented now. It answers a
>>> lot of questions and it will greatly facilitate the adoption of the
>>> standard. Over the last 2 years I have given several presentations
>>> about Darwin Core to data publishers, but with all the current
>>> improvements, it will be a blast to do this! Especially the use of
>>> classes (instead of core and extentions) makes it much easier to grasp
>>> conceptually.
>>>
>>> 2. Is Darwin Core now officially in public review? Will we receive an
>>> invitation email to review (which I could forward)?
>>>
>>> 3. What is the reasoning behind changing all the term names from
>>> UpperCamelCase to lowerCamelCase?
>>>
>>> 4. HABITAT
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/index.htm#habitat
>>>>
>>>> I don't think I agree the best practice for this term is to use a
>>>> controlled vocabulary. This field can contain plenty of text information
>>>> that may be lost if one switches to a controlled vocabulary.
>>>
>>> 5. GEODETICDATUM
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/index.htm#geodeticDatum
> >>>
>>>> So you need to use the same geodetic datum for the verbatim coordinates
>>>> as for the decimal lat & long?
>>>
>>> 6. PREVIOUSIDENTIFICATIONS
>>>
>>>
>>>http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#previousIdentifications-2009-04-24
>>>>
>>>> Under the current definition (and examples) of previousIdentifications,
>>>> this list can include person names and dates. This is significantly
>>>> different from the previous definition: "A
>>>>list (concatenated and separated)
>>>> of previous ScientificNames to which the sample was identified". In my
>>>> opinion this old definition should be kept in the complete historical
>>>> record, with a "replaced by" link.
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------ MISSING/INCORRECT INFORMATION ------------
>>>
>>> 1. The following historical classes cannot be found (anymore) in the
>>> complete historical record. If added, they should have a "replaced by"
>>> link and the new term should have a "replaces link" (except if new
> >> term is part of Dublin Core).
>>>
>>>> Sample (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#Occurrence-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingEvent (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#Event-2008-11-19)
>>>> SamplingLocation (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#Location-2009-04-24)
>>>> SampleAttribute (now
>>>>
>>>>http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#MeasurementOrFact-2009-04-24)
>>>> EventAttribute (now
>>>>
>>>>http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#MeasurementOrFact-2009-04-24)
>>>> AccessConstraints (now
>>>> http://dublincore.org/documents/dcmi-terms/#terms-accessRights)
>>>> Generalizations (now
>>>>
>>>>http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#dataGeneralizations-2009-04-24)
>>>> SampleRemarks (now
>>>>
>>>>http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#occurrenceRemarks-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingEventID (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#eventID-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingEventRemarks (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#eventRemarks-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingEventAttributes (now
>>>>
>>>>http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#dynamicProperties-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingLocationID (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#locationID-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingLocationRemarks (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#locationRemarks-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingAttributeID and EventAttributeID (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#measurementID-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingAttributeType and EventAttributeType (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#measurementType-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingAttributeValue and EventAttributeValue (now
>>>>
>>>>http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#measurementValue-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingAttributeAccuracy and EventAttributeAccuracy (now
>>>>
>>>>http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#measurementAccuracy-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingAttributeUnit and EventAttributeUnit (now
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#measurementUnit-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingAttributeDeterminedDate and EventAttributeDeterminedDate (now
>>>>
>>>>http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#measurementDeterminedDate-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingAttributeDeterminedBy and EventAttributeDeterminedBy (now
>>>>
>>>>http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#measurementDeterminedBy-2009-04-24)
>>>> SamplingAttributeRemarks and EventAttributeRemarks (now
>>>>
>>>>http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#measurementRemarks-2009-04-24)
>>>
>>> 2. There are plenty of missing discussion pages on the Google Code
>>> website. See attachment for full list.
>>>
>>> 3. See remarks per term.
>>>
>>> OCCURENCE
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/index.htm#Occurrence
>>>>
>>>> Details links to 2008-11-19, not to the more recent 2009-04-24.
>>>
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#Occurrence-2009-04-24
>>>>
>>>> Date modified: 2008-11-19?
>>>> No "replaces" link to 2008-11-19
>>>
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#Occurrence-2008-11-19
>>>>
>>>> Date modified: 2008-04-24?
>>>> Status: recommended?
>>>> No "replaced by" link to 2008-04-24
>>>
>>> -----
>>> LOCATION
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#Location-2009-04-24
> >>>
>>>> Status: recommended?
>>>> No "replaced by" link to dcterms:Location
>>>
>>> -----
>>> TAXON
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/index.htm#Taxon
>>>>
>>>> Details link to 2008-11-19, not to the more recent 2009-01-23.
>>>
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#Taxon-2008-11-19
>>>>
>>>> No "replaced by" link to 2009-01-23
>>>> Status: recommended?
>>>
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#Taxon-2009-01-23
>>>>
>>>> No "replaces" link to 2008-11-19
>>>
>>> -----
>>> INFORMATIONWITHHELD
>>> Some of the examples in
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/index.htm#informationWithheld are better
>>> placed in
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/index.htm#dataGeneralizations
>>> -----
>>> RELATEDINFORMATION
>>>
>>>
>>>http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#RelatedInformation-2007-04-17
>>>>
>>>> No "replaces" link to
>>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#RecordURL-2005-07-10
>>>
> >> -----
>>> CONDITION
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/index.htm#reproductiveCondition
>>>>
>>>> The reproductive condition of the biological individual(s): should
>>>> include plural?
>>>
>>> -----
>>> BEHAVIOR
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#behavior-2009-04-24
>>>>
>>>> The decision
>>>>
>>>>(http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/decisions/index.htm#Decision-2009-03-06_1)
>>>> mentions SamplingEvent and Sample, two now historical classes.
>>>
>>> -----
>>> CATALOGNUMBERNUMERIC
>>>
>>>
>>>http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#CatalogNumberNumeric-2003-06-17
>>> Is now historical, but there is no "replaced by" link (probably to:
>>>
>>>
>>>http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#otherCatalogNumbers-2009-04-24)
>>> -----
>>> EVENTDATE
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#eventDate-2009-04-24
>>>>
>>>> Split the replaces link in two: EarliestDateCollected &
>>>> LatestDateCollected
>>>
>>> -----
>>> EVENTTIME
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#eventTime-2009-04-24
>>>>
>>>> Split the replaces link in two: StartTimeOfDay & EndTimeOfDay
>>>
>>> -----
>>> BINOMIAL
>>> http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#binomial-2008-11-19
>>>>
>>>> Is not used in the DwC terms, but has the status: recommended.
>>>
>>> -----
>>> RELATEDRESOURCETYPE
>>>
>>>
>>>http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#relatedResourceType-2009-04-24
>>>>
>>>> Is not used in the DwC terms, but has the status: recommended.
>>>
>>> -----
>>> RELATEDBASISOFRECORD
>>>
>>>
>>>http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#RelatedBasisOfRecord-2008-11-19
>>>>
>>>> Is not used in the DwC terms, but has the status: recommended.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter Desmet
>>> Biodiversity Informatics Manager / Directeur de l'informatique de la
>>> biodiversité
>>> Montréal Biodiversity Centre / Centre sur la biodiversité de Montréal
>>> Canadensys - www.canadensys.net
>>>
>>> Institut de recherche en biologie végétale
>>> Université de Montréal
>>> 4101 Rue Sherbrooke Est
>>> Montréal, Québec, H1X2B2
>>> Canada
>>>
>>> Télé / Phone: 514-872-5249
>>> Télécopie / Fax: 514-872-9406
>>> Email: peter.desmet.cubc at gmail.com
>>> <missing_discussion_pages.txt>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>--
>Peter Desmet
>Biodiversity Informatics Manager / Directeur de l'informatique de la
>biodiversité
>Montréal Biodiversity Centre / Centre sur la biodiversité de Montréal
>Canadensys - www.canadensys.net
>
>Institut de recherche en biologie végétale
>Université de Montréal
>4101 Rue Sherbrooke Est
>Montréal, Québec, H1X2B2
>Canada
>
>Télé / Phone: 514-872-5249
>Télécopie / Fax: 514-872-9406
>Email: peter.desmet.cubc at gmail.com
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