Stability of tdwg-content postings?
I have been reviewing some posts in the tdwg-content archives and got to this one: http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2010-August/000060.html It references a number of previous posts related to background on the DwC standard, such as http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2009-June/000019.html However, those links don't seem to do anything any more. There are other emails whose URLs begin with http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2009-June/ found in the June 2009 archives: http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2009-June/thread.html but not the ones referenced in the August 2010 message. I have been assuming that although it is a bit inconvenient to look things up in the list archives, the messages that have been sent would nevertheless be permanently archived. Is that not true?
Steve
If posts on the discussion lists disappear, perhaps the community here needs a wiki?
On 27/03/2011, at 2:42 AM, Steve Baskauf wrote:
I have been reviewing some posts in the tdwg-content archives and got to this one: http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2010-August/000060.html It references a number of previous posts related to background on the DwC standard, such as http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2009-June/000019.html However, those links don't seem to do anything any more. There are other emails whose URLs begin with
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The community does have a wiki... http://wiki.tdwg.org/
It perhaps does not get as much use as it deserves.
jim
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Paul Murray pmurray@anbg.gov.au wrote:
If posts on the discussion lists disappear, perhaps the community here needs a wiki?
On 27/03/2011, at 2:42 AM, Steve Baskauf wrote:
I have been reviewing some posts in the tdwg-content archives and got to this one: http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2010-August/000060.html It references a number of previous posts related to background on the DwC standard, such as http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2009-June/000019.html However, those links don't seem to do anything any more. There are other emails whose URLs begin with
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Darwin Core also has a wiki:
http://code.google.com/p/darwincore/wiki/TableOfContents?tm=6
The idea is that discussions about the Darwin Core go here, to this list, and actions get captured in the standard or in the supplemental documentation - the wiki given above.
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Jim Croft jim.croft@gmail.com wrote:
The community does have a wiki... http://wiki.tdwg.org/
It perhaps does not get as much use as it deserves.
jim
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Paul Murray pmurray@anbg.gov.au wrote:
If posts on the discussion lists disappear, perhaps the community here needs a wiki?
On 27/03/2011, at 2:42 AM, Steve Baskauf wrote:
I have been reviewing some posts in the tdwg-content archives and got to this one: http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2010-August/000060.html It references a number of previous posts related to background on the DwC standard, such as http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2009-June/000019.html However, those links don't seem to do anything any more. There are other emails whose URLs begin with
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Who can create content on it? Any registered user, or can registered users only make comments? Also, I was going to login to check it out, but none of my usual passwords worked and I can't find any link for "forgotten password" as suggested on http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/ResetPassword Steve
Jim Croft wrote:
The community does have a wiki... http://wiki.tdwg.org/
It perhaps does not get as much use as it deserves.
jim
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Paul Murray pmurray@anbg.gov.au wrote:
If posts on the discussion lists disappear, perhaps the community here needs a wiki?
On 27/03/2011, at 2:42 AM, Steve Baskauf wrote:
I have been reviewing some posts in the tdwg-content archives and got to this one: http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2010-August/000060.html It references a number of previous posts related to background on the DwC standard, such as http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2009-June/000019.html However, those links don't seem to do anything any more. There are other emails whose URLs begin with
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The link you seek is on the left panel in http://www.tdwg.org/membership/ You would have found it with some perseverance. I believe the slight obscurity is due to a perhaps somewhat, ummm, homebrewed single (sort of) authentication mechanism. More precisely, it looks like the wiki and the membership site use the same authentication credentials, but require separate authentication. Even if successfully logged in to the membership facility you will probably still have to provide your login name and password to the wiki. Once so authenticated, you are authenticated to all of the TDWG wikis. Note also that TWIKI has lots of editing differences from MediaWiki. When you open an edit session, there is a little help button above the edit window. It is your friend.
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Steve Baskauf < steve.baskauf@vanderbilt.edu> wrote:
Who can create content on it? Any registered user, or can registered users only make comments? Also, I was going to login to check it out, but none of my usual passwords worked and I can't find any link for "forgotten password" as suggested on http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/ResetPassword Steve
Jim Croft wrote:
The community does have a wiki... http://wiki.tdwg.org/
It perhaps does not get as much use as it deserves.
jim
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Paul Murray pmurray@anbg.gov.au pmurray@anbg.gov.au wrote:
If posts on the discussion lists disappear, perhaps the community here needs a wiki?
On 27/03/2011, at 2:42 AM, Steve Baskauf wrote:
I have been reviewing some posts in the tdwg-content archives and got to this one:http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2010-August/000060.html It references a number of previous posts related to background on the DwC standard, such ashttp://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2009-June/000019.html However, those links don't seem to do anything any more. There are other emails whose URLs begin with
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Thanks! I should have looked harder. Further experimentation showed that although I was able to log in to the TDWG site itself, the TWiki login gave me an "Unrecognized user and/or password". So there seems to be some disconnect between the two authentications. However, if I were to post material, it would most likely be at the Darwin Core Google Code site anyway, which is the place to which one is redirected from the TDWG site if one clicks on the Darwin Core wiki link. There seems to be little or no activity on the TDWG Wiki generally. So I don't think it's worth anybody's time to figure out why the authentication doesn't work for me.
Thanks, Steve
Bob Morris wrote:
The link you seek is on the left panel in http://www.tdwg.org/membership/ You would have found it with some perseverance. I believe the slight obscurity is due to a perhaps somewhat, ummm, homebrewed single (sort of) authentication mechanism. More precisely, it looks like the wiki and the membership site use the same authentication credentials, but require separate authentication. Even if successfully logged in to the membership facility you will probably still have to provide your login name and password to the wiki. Once so authenticated, you are authenticated to all of the TDWG wikis. Note also that TWIKI has lots of editing differences from MediaWiki. When you open an edit session, there is a little help button above the edit window. It is your friend.
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Steve Baskauf <steve.baskauf@vanderbilt.edu mailto:steve.baskauf@vanderbilt.edu> wrote:
Who can create content on it? Any registered user, or can registered users only make comments? Also, I was going to login to check it out, but none of my usual passwords worked and I can't find any link for "forgotten password" as suggested on http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/ResetPassword Steve Jim Croft wrote:The community does have a wiki... http://wiki.tdwg.org/ It perhaps does not get as much use as it deserves. jim On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Paul Murray <pmurray@anbg.gov.au> <mailto:pmurray@anbg.gov.au> wrote:If posts on the discussion lists disappear, perhaps the community here needs a wiki? On 27/03/2011, at 2:42 AM, Steve Baskauf wrote:I have been reviewing some posts in the tdwg-content archives and got to this one: http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2010-August/000060.html It references a number of previous posts related to background on the DwC standard, such as http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2009-June/000019.html However, those links don't seem to do anything any more. There are other emails whose URLs begin with_______________________________________________ If you have received this transmission in error please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail or any attachments have been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of information in the e-mail or attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. _______________________________________________ tdwg-content mailing list tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org <mailto:tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org> http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-content-- Steven J. Baskauf, Ph.D., Senior Lecturer Vanderbilt University Dept. of Biological Sciences postal mail address: VU Station B 351634 Nashville, TN 37235-1634, U.S.A. delivery address: 2125 Stevenson Center 1161 21st Ave., S. Nashville, TN 37235 office: 2128 Stevenson Center phone: (615) 343-4582 <tel:%28615%29%20343-4582>, fax: (615) 343-6707 <tel:%28615%29%20343-6707> http://bioimages.vanderbilt.edu _______________________________________________ tdwg-content mailing list tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org <mailto:tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org> http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-content-- Robert A. Morris
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Odd. The URLs in my 31 August 2010 don't seem to point to the intended content any longer, but the relevant postings do still exist. Happily I gave the subject headings in my posting. They are on the monthly message indexes (such as http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2009-June/) and have the subject headings:
assertions in DwC terms Request for Decision for Public Review of DarwinCore Draft Standard
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Steve Baskauf steve.baskauf@vanderbilt.edu wrote:
I have been reviewing some posts in the tdwg-content archives and got to this one: http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2010-August/000060.html It references a number of previous posts related to background on the DwC standard, such as http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2009-June/000019.html However, those links don't seem to do anything any more. There are other emails whose URLs begin with http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2009-June/ found in the June 2009 archives: http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2009-June/thread.html but not the ones referenced in the August 2010 message. I have been assuming that although it is a bit inconvenient to look things up in the list archives, the messages that have been sent would nevertheless be permanently archived. Is that not true?
Steve
-- Steven J. Baskauf, Ph.D., Senior Lecturer Vanderbilt University Dept. of Biological Sciences
postal mail address: VU Station B 351634 Nashville, TN 37235-1634, U.S.A.
delivery address: 2125 Stevenson Center 1161 21st Ave., S. Nashville, TN 37235
office: 2128 Stevenson Center phone: (615) 343-4582, fax: (615) 343-6707 http://bioimages.vanderbilt.edu
tdwg-content mailing list tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-content
All messages do exist and are archived. But when we merged the various mailinglists into one the static html view of the mailinglist had to be regenerated and apparently the urls of some messages have changed then as they use some local serial number to identify messages instead of a native message id.
This is indeed a nasty consequence we didnt foresee and that I cant think of any solution for I am afraid.
Markus
On Mar 28, 2011, at 2:50, John Wieczorek wrote:
Odd. The URLs in my 31 August 2010 don't seem to point to the intended content any longer, but the relevant postings do still exist. Happily I gave the subject headings in my posting. They are on the monthly message indexes (such as http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2009-June/) and have the subject headings:
assertions in DwC terms Request for Decision for Public Review of DarwinCore Draft Standard
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Steve Baskauf steve.baskauf@vanderbilt.edu wrote:
I have been reviewing some posts in the tdwg-content archives and got to this one: http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2010-August/000060.html It references a number of previous posts related to background on the DwC standard, such as http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2009-June/000019.html However, those links don't seem to do anything any more. There are other emails whose URLs begin with http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2009-June/ found in the June 2009 archives: http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2009-June/thread.html but not the ones referenced in the August 2010 message. I have been assuming that although it is a bit inconvenient to look things up in the list archives, the messages that have been sent would nevertheless be permanently archived. Is that not true?
Steve
-- Steven J. Baskauf, Ph.D., Senior Lecturer Vanderbilt University Dept. of Biological Sciences
postal mail address: VU Station B 351634 Nashville, TN 37235-1634, U.S.A.
delivery address: 2125 Stevenson Center 1161 21st Ave., S. Nashville, TN 37235
office: 2128 Stevenson Center phone: (615) 343-4582, fax: (615) 343-6707 http://bioimages.vanderbilt.edu
tdwg-content mailing list tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-content
tdwg-content mailing list tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-content
OK, thanks all for the clarification and I'm glad to know that the messages are there to be searched for. However, I would request that there be a commitment made to not let the URLs change again (at least not if it can be helped). I believe that the tdwg-content list has some sort of official status as a record of discussion related to proposed changes to TDWG standards, and as such it should be stable. In October 2010 there were over 250 emails (many sharing the same subject line and by the same writers), some of which were extremely important in elucidating the community understanding of important concepts related to Darwin Core. I have recently spend many hours combing through these messages in an effort to summarize what was said and I've been recording the URLs of the source emails. I would not want to ever have to do that again...
Steve
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Markus Döring wrote:
All messages do exist and are archived. But when we merged the various mailinglists into one the static html view of the mailinglist had to be regenerated and apparently the urls of some messages have changed then as they use some local serial number to identify messages instead of a native message id.
This is indeed a nasty consequence we didnt foresee and that I cant think of any solution for I am afraid.
Markus
On Mar 28, 2011, at 2:50, John Wieczorek wrote:
Odd. The URLs in my 31 August 2010 don't seem to point to the intended content any longer, but the relevant postings do still exist. Happily I gave the subject headings in my posting. They are on the monthly message indexes (such as http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2009-June/) and have the subject headings:
assertions in DwC terms Request for Decision for Public Review of DarwinCore Draft Standard
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Steve Baskauf steve.baskauf@vanderbilt.edu wrote:
I have been reviewing some posts in the tdwg-content archives and got to this one: http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2010-August/000060.html It references a number of previous posts related to background on the DwC standard, such as http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2009-June/000019.html However, those links don't seem to do anything any more. There are other emails whose URLs begin with http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2009-June/ found in the June 2009 archives: http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2009-June/thread.html but not the ones referenced in the August 2010 message. I have been assuming that although it is a bit inconvenient to look things up in the list archives, the messages that have been sent would nevertheless be permanently archived. Is that not true?
Steve
-- Steven J. Baskauf, Ph.D., Senior Lecturer Vanderbilt University Dept. of Biological Sciences
postal mail address: VU Station B 351634 Nashville, TN 37235-1634, U.S.A.
delivery address: 2125 Stevenson Center 1161 21st Ave., S. Nashville, TN 37235
office: 2128 Stevenson Center phone: (615) 343-4582, fax: (615) 343-6707 http://bioimages.vanderbilt.edu
tdwg-content mailing list tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-content
tdwg-content mailing list tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-content
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Steve,
I agree. We don't want to repeat this. Lesson learned for the future.
Chuck
From: tdwg-content-bounces@lists.tdwg.org [mailto:tdwg-content-bounces@lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of Steve Baskauf Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 9:18 AM To: Markus Döring Cc: tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org Subject: Re: [tdwg-content] Stability of tdwg-content postings?
OK, thanks all for the clarification and I'm glad to know that the messages are there to be searched for. However, I would request that there be a commitment made to not let the URLs change again (at least not if it can be helped). I believe that the tdwg-content list has some sort of official status as a record of discussion related to proposed changes to TDWG standards, and as such it should be stable. In October 2010 there were over 250 emails (many sharing the same subject line and by the same writers), some of which were extremely important in elucidating the community understanding of important concepts related to Darwin Core. I have recently spend many hours combing through these messages in an effort to summarize what was said and I've been recording the URLs of the source emails. I would not want to ever have to do that again...
Steve
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Markus Döring wrote:
All messages do exist and are archived. But when we merged the various mailinglists into one the static html view of the mailinglist had to be regenerated and apparently the urls of some messages have changed then as they use some local serial number to identify messages instead of a native message id.
This is indeed a nasty consequence we didnt foresee and that I cant think of any solution for I am afraid.
Markus
On Mar 28, 2011, at 2:50, John Wieczorek wrote:
Odd. The URLs in my 31 August 2010 don't seem to point to the intended content any longer, but the relevant postings do still exist. Happily I gave the subject headings in my posting. They are on the monthly message indexes (such as http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2009-June/) and have the subject headings: assertions in DwC terms Request for Decision for Public Review of DarwinCore Draft Standard On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Steve Baskauf steve.baskauf@vanderbilt.edu mailto:steve.baskauf@vanderbilt.edu wrote:
I have been reviewing some posts in the tdwg-content archives and got to this one: http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2010-August/000060.html It references a number of previous posts related to background on the DwC standard, such as http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2009-June/000019.html However, those links don't seem to do anything any more. There are other emails whose URLs begin with http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2009-June/ found in the June 2009 archives: http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-content/2009-June/thread.html but not the ones referenced in the August 2010 message. I have been assuming that although it is a bit inconvenient to look things up in the list archives, the messages that have been sent would nevertheless be permanently archived. Is that not true? Steve -- Steven J. Baskauf, Ph.D., Senior Lecturer Vanderbilt University Dept. of Biological Sciences postal mail address: VU Station B 351634 Nashville, TN 37235-1634, U.S.A. delivery address: 2125 Stevenson Center 1161 21st Ave., S. Nashville, TN 37235 office: 2128 Stevenson Center phone: (615) 343-4582, fax: (615) 343-6707 http://bioimages.vanderbilt.edu _______________________________________________ tdwg-content mailing list tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-content
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