[Tdwg-guid] resolving deleted records [ Scanned for viruses ]

Mon Oct 2 18:32:09 CEST 2006

Nope. IF is a nomenclator and has no taxonomic opinions on the names included - except for those of the publishing author(s) (which I take as read) and an implied assignment to a parent family. Neither are we talking about replaced names in a nomenlatural sense - i.e. nomen nova and their replaced synonyms. We are both talking about names in the database which are for whatever reason not 'real' names in a nomenclatural sense - in that there is no evidence that they are associated with a 'normal' attempt to publish a nomenclatural novelty (this takes care of invalid names which strictly do not exist). For example, name which have crept in from a checklist which are herbarium names, or a sphalm (error) where a generic name is associated with a specific epithet from a related species name (e.g. Fagus papyrifera - a sphalm for either Betula papyrifera or an unknown species of Fagus). Under these circumstances IF currently provides a circular reference via an 'is ReplacedBy' - the other two types of 'isReplacedBy' currently in use in IF are deprecated records (duplicates - more common in IPNI as Sally indicates for historical reasons) and orthographic variants (there is only one correct form under the Code).

Hope this is clear - fire away if not ... ;-)

Cheers,

Paul

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From: Chuck Miller [mailto:Chuck.Miller at mobot.org]
Sent: Mon 02/10/2006 16:12
To: S.Hinchcliffe at kew.org; Paul Kirk
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Subject: RE: [Tdwg-guid] resolving deleted records [ Scanned for viruses ]

Sally and Paul,
Sounds like you two are talking about different things:

Paul is describing a taxonomic issue of replaced names.
Sally is describing a database cleanup issue for duplicate database
records of "replaced" name records.

Is that right? 

Chuck
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Hi Paul
Are you saying that if an IF record has 'isReplacedBy' and the id is
the same as the id asked for then the record is deleted ?

We can do this, but it seems a little arcane to me compared to an
explicit 'deleted' tag

Sally

> IF does has a circular isRepalcedBy for a small subset of names - e.g.
> those which have crept in from specimen labels, those where a generic
> names has been used (perhaps in print) with an epithet from a related
> genus.
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tdwg-guid-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> [mailto:tdwg-guid-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Sally
> Hinchcliffe
> Sent: 02 October 2006 15:30
> To: Roderic Page
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> Subject: Re: [Tdwg-guid] resolving deleted records [ Scanned for
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>
> Yes but some aren't replaced by anything, i.e. if a record was simply
> entered in error
>
> I could say isReplacedBy and then put a null ID in but that's a
> little subtle ...
>
> Sally
>
> > Sally,
> >
> > Do you need anything more than dc:isReplacedBy? The presence of this
> in 
> > itself says the record has been suppressed/replaced.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Rod
> >
> > On 2 Oct 2006, at 15:12, Sally Hinchcliffe wrote:
> >
> > > Apologies for cross-posting but I'm trying to get a reasonably
quick
> > > response  ...
> > >
> > > I'm trying to finalise the IPNI LSID server as far as I can. One
of
> > > the issues that was raised at the GUIDs workshop was how to handle
> > > deleted records. In IPNI we suppress records where they have been
> > > duplicated. There are a high number of duplicates in IPNI and as
we
> > > start identifying true duplicates and linking them, the number of
> > > suppressed or deprecated records will rise and the chances of
> someone
> > > having an id which resolves to a now suppressed record will become
> > > quite high
> > >
> > > What I'd like to do if someone asks for a suppressed record is to
> > > return metadata which just indicates the record is suppressed (or
> > > deleted) plus if relevant a pointer to the preferred record
> > >
> > > For the latter we can use <dc:isReplacedBy> which I think is what
IF
> > > are using
> > >
> > > For the former - I couldn't find any really obvious existing tag
in
> > > use out there. What are other people using? Or do you have any
> > > suggestions or examples of deleted records?
> > >
> > > Sally
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