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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Nope. IF is a nomenclator and
has no taxonomic opinions on the names included - except for those of the
publishing author(s) (which I take as read) and an implied assignment to a
parent family. Neither are we talking about replaced names in a nomenlatural
sense - i.e. nomen nova and their replaced synonyms. We are both talking about
names in the database which are for whatever reason not 'real' names in a
nomenclatural sense - in that there is no evidence that they are associated with
a 'normal' attempt to publish a nomenclatural novelty (this takes care of
invalid names which strictly do not exist). For example, name which have crept
in from a checklist which are herbarium names, or a sphalm (error) where a
generic name is associated with a specific epithet from a related species name
(e.g. Fagus papyrifera - a sphalm for either Betula papyrifera or an unknown
species of Fagus). Under these circumstances IF currently provides a circular
reference via an 'is ReplacedBy' - the other two types of 'isReplacedBy'
currently in use in IF are deprecated records (duplicates - more common in IPNI
as Sally indicates for historical reasons) and orthographic variants (there is
only one correct form under the Code).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hope this is clear - fire away if not ...
;-)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Paul</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Chuck Miller
[mailto:Chuck.Miller@mobot.org]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Mon 02/10/2006
16:12<BR><B>To:</B> S.Hinchcliffe@kew.org; Paul Kirk<BR><B>Cc:</B>
tdwg-guid@mailman.nhm.ku.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Tdwg-guid] resolving
deleted records [ Scanned for viruses ]<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>Sally and Paul,<BR>Sounds like you two are talking about
different things:<BR><BR>Paul is describing a taxonomic issue of replaced
names.<BR>Sally is describing a database cleanup issue for duplicate
database<BR>records of "replaced" name records.<BR><BR>Is that
right? <BR><BR>Chuck<BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
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On Behalf Of Sally<BR>Hinchcliffe<BR>Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 9:51
AM<BR>To: Paul Kirk<BR>Cc: tdwg-guid@mailman.nhm.ku.edu<BR>Subject: Re:
[Tdwg-guid] resolving deleted records [ Scanned for viruses<BR>]<BR><BR>Hi
Paul<BR>Are you saying that if an IF record has 'isReplacedBy' and the id
is<BR>the same as the id asked for then the record is deleted ?<BR><BR>We can do
this, but it seems a little arcane to me compared to an<BR>explicit 'deleted'
tag<BR><BR>Sally<BR><BR><BR>> IF does has a circular isRepalcedBy for a small
subset of names - e.g.<BR>> those which have crept in from specimen labels,
those where a generic<BR>> names has been used (perhaps in print) with an
epithet from a related<BR>> genus.<BR>><BR>> Paul<BR>><BR>>
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On Behalf Of Sally<BR>> Hinchcliffe<BR>> Sent: 02 October 2006
15:30<BR>> To: Roderic Page<BR>> Cc: tdwg-guid@mailman.nhm.ku.edu<BR>>
Subject: Re: [Tdwg-guid] resolving deleted records [ Scanned
for<BR>viruses<BR>> ]<BR>><BR>> Yes but some aren't replaced by
anything, i.e. if a record was simply<BR>> entered in error<BR>><BR>> I
could say isReplacedBy and then put a null ID in but that's a<BR>> little
subtle ...<BR>><BR>> Sally<BR>><BR>> > Sally,<BR>>
><BR>> > Do you need anything more than dc:isReplacedBy? The presence
of this<BR>> in <BR>> > itself says the record has been
suppressed/replaced.<BR>> ><BR>> > Regards<BR>> ><BR>> >
Rod<BR>> ><BR>> > On 2 Oct 2006, at 15:12, Sally Hinchcliffe
wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > > Apologies for cross-posting but I'm trying
to get a reasonably<BR>quick<BR>> > > response ...<BR>> >
><BR>> > > I'm trying to finalise the IPNI LSID server as far as I
can. One<BR>of<BR>> > > the issues that was raised at the GUIDs
workshop was how to handle<BR>> > > deleted records. In IPNI we
suppress records where they have been<BR>> > > duplicated. There are a
high number of duplicates in IPNI and as<BR>we<BR>> > > start
identifying true duplicates and linking them, the number of<BR>> > >
suppressed or deprecated records will rise and the chances of<BR>>
someone<BR>> > > having an id which resolves to a now suppressed record
will become<BR>> > > quite high<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
What I'd like to do if someone asks for a suppressed record is to<BR>> >
> return metadata which just indicates the record is suppressed (or<BR>>
> > deleted) plus if relevant a pointer to the preferred record<BR>>
> ><BR>> > > For the latter we can use <dc:isReplacedBy>
which I think is what<BR>IF<BR>> > > are using<BR>> >
><BR>> > > For the former - I couldn't find any really obvious
existing tag<BR>in<BR>> > > use out there. What are other people using?
Or do you have any<BR>> > > suggestions or examples of deleted
records?<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Sally<BR>> > > *** Sally
Hinchcliffe<BR>> > > *** Computer section, Royal Botanic Gardens,
Kew<BR>> > > *** tel: +44 (0)20 8332 5708<BR>> > > ***
S.Hinchcliffe@rbgkew.org.uk<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> >
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><BR>><BR>> *** Sally Hinchcliffe<BR>> *** Computer section, Royal
Botanic Gardens, Kew<BR>> *** tel: +44 (0)20 8332 5708<BR>> ***
S.Hinchcliffe@rbgkew.org.uk<BR>><BR>><BR>>
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