[tdwg-tag] SourceForge LSID project websites broken - role for TDWG?

Peter DeVries pete.devries at gmail.com
Fri Apr 3 19:23:14 CEST 2009

I have several issues with LSIDs

1) I don't agree that life science data is "different" than geological,
meteorological, or chemical data.

2) The persistence of LSID identifiers is as problematic as URL based
identifiers. In fact, it is worse because

      the system adds an additional layer of poorly supported standards that
few people understand and

      even fewer implement correctly.

3) LSIDs increase the implementation costs significantly beyond the costs
required for domain registration and

     a web server. For most implementations you will need a additional
machine (virtual or otherwise) and someone

     who understands the intricacies of LSIDs.

4) Tim Berners-Lee feels that LSIDs are unnecessary, and after spending
several years looking at this issue I

     think he is right. Even if TBL is wrong, you have positioned yourself
for an uphill battle for adoption.

5) There is a well developed and widely adopted standard for integrating
data sets developed by the

    TBL and the  linked data community that addresses the needs of the TDWG

For those who are not familiar with this initiative, check out the linked
data site at: http://linkeddata.org/

and Tim Berners-Lee recent talk at TED

- Pete

Pete DeVries
Department of Entomology
University of Wisconsin - Madison
445 Russell Laboratories
1630 Linden Drive
Madison, WI 53706
GeoSpecies Knowledge Base <http://species.geospecies.org/>

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 5:14 PM, <Garry.Jolley-Rogers at csiro.au> wrote:

>  Hi Hilmar,
>        Struggling with exactly these issues as I implement LSID's here.
> It is a concern (especially given the underlying principles of permanence
> embodied in LSIDS) that the LSID project itself lacks resilience.  Code can
> still be obtained tho' the documentation I can find is out of date and
> dependencies may be too.  I'll know very soon - by the end of today.   Like
> many things out there.. It seems to be withering now that the initial
> enthusiasm has died. While the collections community may think in centuries,
> permanence in LSIDS seems to mean a few years. Perhaps my google-fu has
> failed me.. If so  please tell me.
> My questions.... Is there sufficient interest and community involvement to
> keep it alive .... Even it is no more than an update documentation & co.
> Perhaps it should be brought into the TDWG fold?   Any comments?  Happy to
> contribute what I can.
> GarryJR
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> tdwg-tag-bounces at lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of Hilmar Lapp
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> Subject: [tdwg-tag] SourceForge LSID project websites broken
> The websites for the two LSID projects on SourceForge are broken:
> http://lsids.sourceforge.net/
> http://lsid.sourceforge.net/
> I believe the latter project is defunct (can someone confirm this?)
> but the first should be alive, right (and this URL is in fact linked
> to on the TDWG website).
> Does anyone know what's going on?
>        -hilmar
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