[tdwg-tag] SourceForge LSID project websites broken - role forTDWG?

Paul Kirk p.kirk at cabi.org
Fri Apr 3 19:30:22 CEST 2009

I liked the '... wasn't ...' on the linkeddata.org page ... ;-)
You all have a good weekend,


From: tdwg-tag-bounces at lists.tdwg.org on behalf of Peter DeVries
Sent: Fri 03/04/2009 18:23
To: Garry.Jolley-Rogers at csiro.au; tdwg-tag at lists.tdwg.org
Subject: Re: [tdwg-tag] SourceForge LSID project websites broken - role forTDWG?

I have several issues with LSIDs

1) I don't agree that life science data is "different" than geological, meteorological, or chemical data.

2) The persistence of LSID identifiers is as problematic as URL based identifiers. In fact, it is worse because

      the system adds an additional layer of poorly supported standards that few people understand and

      even fewer implement correctly.

3) LSIDs increase the implementation costs significantly beyond the costs required for domain registration and

     a web server. For most implementations you will need a additional machine (virtual or otherwise) and someone

     who understands the intricacies of LSIDs.

4) Tim Berners-Lee feels that LSIDs are unnecessary, and after spending several years looking at this issue I

     think he is right. Even if TBL is wrong, you have positioned yourself for an uphill battle for adoption.

5) There is a well developed and widely adopted standard for integrating data sets developed by the

    TBL and the  linked data community that addresses the needs of the TDWG community.

For those who are not familiar with this initiative, check out the linked data site at: http://linkeddata.org/

and Tim Berners-Lee recent talk at TED http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/tim_berners_lee_on_the_next_web.html


- Pete

Pete DeVries
Department of Entomology
University of Wisconsin - Madison
445 Russell Laboratories
1630 Linden Drive
Madison, WI 53706
GeoSpecies Knowledge Base <http://species.geospecies.org/> 

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 5:14 PM, <Garry.Jolley-Rogers at csiro.au> wrote:

	 Hi Hilmar,
	       Struggling with exactly these issues as I implement LSID's here.
	It is a concern (especially given the underlying principles of permanence embodied in LSIDS) that the LSID project itself lacks resilience.  Code can still be obtained tho' the documentation I can find is out of date and dependencies may be too.  I'll know very soon - by the end of today.   Like many things out there.. It seems to be withering now that the initial enthusiasm has died. While the collections community may think in centuries, permanence in LSIDS seems to mean a few years. Perhaps my google-fu has failed me.. If so  please tell me.
	My questions.... Is there sufficient interest and community involvement to keep it alive .... Even it is no more than an update documentation & co.   Perhaps it should be brought into the TDWG fold?   Any comments?  Happy to contribute what I can.
	Garry.Jolley-Rogers at csiro.au
	Biodiversity Informatics, Taxonomy Research & Information Network
	Centre for Plant Biodiversity Research, CSIRO Plant Industry,
	GPO Box 1600, Canberra ACT 2601 AUSTRALIA
	w:(02) 62465501 http://www.cpbr.gov.au/cpbr/staff/jolley-rogers-staff.html
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	From: tdwg-tag-bounces at lists.tdwg.org [mailto:tdwg-tag-bounces at lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of Hilmar Lapp
	Sent: Friday, 20 March 2009 5:07 AM
	To: Technical Architecture Group mailing list
	Subject: [tdwg-tag] SourceForge LSID project websites broken
	The websites for the two LSID projects on SourceForge are broken:
	I believe the latter project is defunct (can someone confirm this?)
	but the first should be alive, right (and this URL is in fact linked
	to on the TDWG website).
	Does anyone know what's going on?
	: Hilmar Lapp  -:-  Durham, NC  -:- hlapp at duke dot edu :
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