[tdwg-tapir] Abundance data [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Greg Whitbread
ghw at anbg.gov.au
Mon Dec 1 23:10:41 CET 2008
Yes. We do need to open up the process.
On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 07:10, Kevin Richards wrote:
> Me too, I've been thinking the same thing lately.
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> Just goes to show we should open our mouths and voice our opinions
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> From: tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org
> [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of Holetschek,
> Jörg
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 4:12 a.m.
> To: Wouter Addink; TAPIR mailing list
> Subject: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data
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> count me too... even though i haven't been very active on these lists
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org
> [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org]Im Auftrag vonWouter
> Addink
> Gesendet: Montag, 1. Dezember 2008 15:18
> An: 'TAPIR mailing list'
> Betreff: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data
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> +1 kudo
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> Wouter
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> From: tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org
> [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of Roger
> Hyam
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:07 PM
> To: Tim Robertson
> Cc: TAPIR mailing list
> Subject: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data
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> Make that 3 votes total.
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> On 1 Dec 2008, at 14:03, Tim Robertson wrote:
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> On 1 Dec 2008, at 14:59, Markus Döring (GBIF) wrote:
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> As the average TDWG mailing list is not exactly overloaded
> with posts, how about consolidating TDWG's mailinglists into
> just 3?
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> An announcement list for TDWG business (tdwg+process), a
> technical one (TAG,GUID+TAPIR) and just a single content one.
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> This would probably also help to avoid duplication of efforts
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> On Dec 1, 2008, at 13:29, Holetschek, Jörg wrote:
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> Tomas,
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> there's a wiki you might find interesting:
> http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki/bin/view/
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> But as far as I know, this is the only mailing list alive for
> discussions like that...
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> Jörg
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: bar tomas [mailto:bartomas at gmail.com]
> Gesendet: Montag, 1. Dezember 2008 13:13
> An: Holetschek, Jörg
> Betreff: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data
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> Thanks for all your help.
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> One last question: is there a mailing list for
> specifically discussing conceptual aspects of Darwin
> Core, ABCD, etc (I haven't been able to find one) or
> is Tapir mailing list for that purpose?
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> Thanks
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> T. Bar
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> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Holetschek, Jörg
> <j.holetschek at bgbm.org> wrote:
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> Dear Thomas,
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> the ABCD schema can handle such unbounded data - but
> the only TAPIR provider software that supports ABCD
> (pyWrapper) is not quite bug free. So you'd have to
> use the BioCASe protcol - which is apparently not your
> intention.
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> Cheers from Berlin,
> Jörg
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org
> [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org]Im Auftrag
> von Tim Robertson
> (GBIF)
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 30. November 2008 16:22
> An: bar tomas
> Cc: tdwg-tapir at lists.tdwg.org
> Betreff: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data
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> This is correct... largely it is used for transfer of
> detailed single
> specimen records.
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> That is not so say you could not define some schema
> that reuses sections
> of DwC or the TDWG vocabularies - you probably would
> have to get into
> custom provider software in that case (although maybe
> the current tools
> would allow for it - Renato could give advice for
> TAPIRLink on this).
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> Cheers
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> Tim
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> > Thanks a lot for the information.
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> > I suppose when the record is composed of multiple
> specimens (whose
> > number
> > is recorded in ObservedIndividualCount) the
> individual attributes of each
> > specimen (age, sex, maturity, etc) cannot be stored.
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> > Tomas Bar
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> > On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Tim Robertson
> <trobertson at gbif.org>
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> >> Hi T. Bar
> >> You might consider the OBIS extensions for Darwin
> Core since you are
> >> concerned with marine stuff.
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> >> http://iobis.org/obis/obis.xsd
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> >> SampleSize: the size of the sample from which the
> >> collection/observation was drawn. It can be a
> volume (e.g. for a
> >> phytoplankton sample), a linear distance (e.g. for
> a visual transect or
> >> net haul), a surface area (e.g. for a benthic
> core), etc. This field
> >> must also include the units, e.g. 200 mfor a
> transect, or 0.25 m^2 for a
> >> benthic grab (use ^ to denote a superscript). Note
> that when multiple
> >> collections/observations are reported from the same
> physical sample, a
> >> code identifying the sample can be placed in the
> Field_Number field to
> >> allow all collections/observations from a single
> sample to be connected.
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> >> IndividualCount is a count of specimens (e.g. not a
> count of species).
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> >> you want to indicate multiple species, then you
> would have a record for
> >> each
> >> along with the identification and the count of
> individuals of that
> >> species.
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> >> So in the OBIS schema you have:
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> >> ObservedIndividualCount: The number of individuals
> (abundance) found in
> >> a collection/record event.
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> >> Cheers,
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> >> Tim
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> >> On 28 Nov 2008, at 17:05, bar tomas wrote:
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> >> Sorry if this question is misplaced in this
> discussion list, but I
> >> haven't been able to find a mailing list on the
> conceptual aspects of
> >> Darwin
> >> Core.
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> >> I am interested to know if there are any
> recommendations on how to
> >> represent abundance in Darwin Core. I have seen
> some datasets using
> >> IndividualCount and SampleSize. For instance, for a
> fishing survey,
> >> would
> >> you use IndividualCount for the number of species
> in a catch, and
> >> SampleSize
> >> for the distance towed?
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> >>
> >> Thank you very much
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> tdwg-tapir at lists.tdwg.org
> >> http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tapir
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