[tdwg-tapir] TAPIR and the standardization of SRU

Dave Vieglais vieglais at ku.edu
Thu Nov 8 15:24:53 CET 2007

Hi Roger,
I was just pointing out the common ancestry as a curiosity, not implying 
functional significance.  It is encouraging because as you mentioned, 
there is a general convergence by different communities toward common 
and hopefully compatible solutions.

Dave V.

Roger Hyam wrote:
> Dave,
> I suspect the convergence is because they are all heading towards a 
> simple RESTful HTTP GET service rather than by dint of their common 
> ancestry.
> If one were to start from scratch today having never seen z39.50 then 
> one would probably come up with something similar.
> All the best,
> Roger
> On 8 Nov 2007, at 03:00, Dave Vieglais wrote:
>> Hi Ryan,
>> there is indeed a good deal of similarity between the interfaces
>> exposed by TAPIR and SRU.  I suspect there would be mostly superficial
>> alterations required to the TAPIR key+value URL interface to support
>> much of SRU.
>> As an aside I find it interesting, and somewhat encouraging that the
>> both SRU and TAPIR derive from a common ancestor (z39.50) and though
>> taking divergent development streams, seem to arriving at similar
>> outcomes.  Convergent evolution of protocols.
>> Dave V.
>> On Nov 7, 2007 3:10 PM, Ryan Scherle <res20 at duke.edu> wrote:
>>> Hello TAPIRians,
>>> I've recently moved from the library world into the biology world, 
>>> and I'm
>>> noticing that TAPIR has a lot in common with the SRU standard that is
>>> gaining popularity in the library world. I would like to encourage
>>> collaboration between the two communities, and see whether it is 
>>> possible to
>>> forge a single standard out of the two. One major difference is that 
>>> is database-oriented, while SRU is much more document-oriented, but 
>>> this
>>> should be possible to overcome.
>>> SRU has been recently been turned over to the OASIS standards body 
>>> as source
>>> material for developing a general-purpose web services search 
>>> standard. As a
>>> part of this standardization process, the initial draft document has 
>>> been
>>> opened for public comments (see below). If you have comments, you 
>>> can post
>>> them at the URL indicated. If you work for an institution that is a 
>>> member
>>> of OASIS, I believe you can still join the committee and vote on issues
>>> related to the standardization.
>>> --- Ryan Scherle
>>> --- Digital Data Repository Architect
>>> --- NESCent
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>>> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:57:11 -0500
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>>> Subject: [search-ws] Public Review of Search Web Services v1.0 
>>> Discussion
>>>     Document
>>> To OASIS members, Public Announce Lists:
>>> The OASIS Search Web Services TC has recently approved for public 
>>> review the
>>> following Discussion Document:
>>> Search Web Services v1.0 Discussion Document
>>> This document: "Search Web Services Version 1.0  - Discussion 
>>> Document - 2
>>> November 2007", was prepared by the OASIS Search Web Services TC as a
>>> strawman proposal, for public review, intended to generate 
>>> discussion and
>>> interest. It has no official status; it is not a Committee Draft. The
>>> specification is based on the SRU (Search Retrieve via URL) 
>>> specification
>>> which can be found at http://www.loc.gov/standards/sru/. It is 
>>> expected that
>>> this standard, when published, will deviate from SRU. How much it will
>>> deviate cannot be predicted at this time. The fact that the SRU spec 
>>> is used
>>> as a starting point for development should not be cause for concern 
>>> that
>>> this might be an effort to rubberstamp or fasttrack SRU. The 
>>> committee hopes
>>> to preserve the useful features of SRU, eliminate those that are not
>>> considered useful, and add features that are not in SRU but are 
>>> considered
>>> useful. The committee has decided to request OASIS to release this as a
>>> discussion document. Detailed review of this document is premature 
>>> at this
>>> point and is not requested; feedback on the functionality and 
>>> approach is
>>> solicited.  Feedback is requested by December 7.
>>> The public review starts today, 7 November 2007, and ends 7 December 
>>> 2007.
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