[tdwg-guid] TDWG LSID Resolver broken?

Roger Hyam roger at tdwg.org
Fri Nov 30 10:48:55 CET 2007


Sorry I have come into this thread late. It looks really exciting stuff.

The one thing I pick up on at the end was Rod offering to come up with  
a policy for handling Handles in the RDF returned by LSIDs ;)

I had previously presumed DOI and Handles could be treated as URIs and  
therefore just used as rdf resources like this:

<dc:identifier rdf:resource="doi:10.1007/BF02725185" />

or in our current example

<tdwg:parentPublication rdf:resource="doi:10.1007/BF02725185" />

Now if we can't treat DOI/Handle as URIs I guess we could treat them  
as strings and just use the dc identifier (possibly the worst case  
scenario - this could be an ISBN, local catalogue code or anything).

<dc:identifier>doi:10.1007/BF02725185</dc:identifier>

I presume support for DOI/Handle would have to be added to any  
semantic web clients to understand any of these.

Would it be better to take the approach we have with LSIDs where we  
always cite a proxied version?

What do other people do?

We could add a global property so that any object could have one or  
hasHandle value.

Any solution other than making Handles behave like regular URIs means  
non-compliance with W3C recommendations and the need for specialist  
client software I think.

What do you think? Any ideas?

Roger



On 30 Nov 2007, at 08:10, Roderic Page wrote:

> Dear Rich,
>
>> Pyle, R.L. 2002. Pomacanthidae. pp. 3266-3286. In: Carpenter, K.E.  
>> and V.E.
>> Niem (Eds.) Living marine resources of the western central  
>> Pacific.  Volume
>> 5.  Bony fishes part 3 (Menidae to Pomacentridae). Food and  
>> Agriculture
>> Organization of the United Nations (FAO), Rome. i-iv+2791-3379.
>>
>> ...there are at least three "levels" of publication:
>>
>> 1) Pyle, R.L. 2002. Pomacanthidae. pp. 3266-3286.
>>
>> 2) Carpenter, K.E. and V.E. Niem (Eds.) Living marine resources of  
>> the
>> western central Pacific.  Volume 5.  Bony fishes part 3 (Menidae to
>> Pomacentridae). Food and Agriculture Organization of the United  
>> Nations
>> (FAO), Rome. i-iv+2791-3379.
>>
>> 3) Carpenter, K.E. and V.E. Niem (Eds.) FAO species identification  
>> guide for
>> fishery purposes: Living marine resources of the western central  
>> Pacific.
>> Vols. 1-6. Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations  
>> (FAO),
>> Rome. xl+4218 pp.
>>
>> Granted, some might argue that number 3 is not really a separate  
>> citable
>> "unit", but given that it is a single page number series, I would  
>> argue that
>> it is.
>>
>> So...if we wanted to cite specifically Pyle 2002, the  
>> parentCitationString
>> might simply be the contents of of #2 above; or it might have two  
>> nested
>> parents (a parent, and agrand parent).
>>
>> As I said before, I'm leaning towards the simpler solution.
>
> Isn't this over engineering things a little? Don't you just need a  
> GUID for the chapter (1), and a GUID for the book (2)? For the  
> latter we have an ISBN (9251043879), so there's already a GUID for  
> that.  I don't think we gain much from (3). Furthermore, if we use  
> the ISBN as the GUID we know the items are linked because they share  
> the same publisher code.
>
>>
>> As for the ZooBank LSID resolver -- at this point in time  
>> conformance trumps
>> optimization (so we can all get off our collective arses and serve  
>> content)
>> -- so I'm just woking with what's up there now.  If I'm resolving  
>> LSIDs, and
>> I'm doing so because of TDWG standards, then I ought to conform to  
>> existing
>> TDWG standards on vocabularies -- right or wrong.  What we need to  
>> do is
>> update the TDWG standards on this (which the St. Lousi meeting was
>> attempting to accomplish), so we can conform *and* optimize!
>>
>
> The TDWG standard should need to be expanded to handle other kinds  
> of GUIDs, notably Handles, which are being widely used in Digital  
> Repositories.
>
> Regards
>
> Rod
>
>
>
>> Aloha,
>> Rich
>>
>>
>>
>
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