[tdwg-tapir] TAPIR searches and entities

Javier de la Torre jatorre at gmail.com
Mon Apr 10 14:15:45 CEST 2006

Hi all,

I think WFS suffers of the same issue. I asked on the wfs-dev mailing  
list and I got already a response from the lat/lon people. They have  
a WFS server pretty similar to PyWrapper but in Java.

Markus  Schneider proposed the usage of indexes in xpath to help the  
server knows if the terms you are asking for are related or not. Is  
not the most elegant solution, and probably does not match the xpath  
semantics, but maybe it could work.

Imagine a filter like:

                        <concept id="abcd:/Datasets.../ 
                        <literal value="Abies alba"/>
                        <concept id="abcd:/Datasets.../ 
                        <literal value="Markus"/>

This will create your 1st SQL statement.
If in the second concept in the filter, the indentifier, does not  
have an index then it should be the second...

But I have the impression that Digir2 would have serious problems  
dealing with this...


On 07/04/2006, at 18:25, Döring, Markus wrote:

> Hello,
> I had a talk with Gregor and the others this week to find out  
> whether TAPIR is suitable for SDD. Apart from the known recusive  
> issue we were concerned about one major search problem I would like  
> to introduce you to:
> Imagine a simple concept "ontology" with a specimen linked to  
> identifications with a taxon-name and an identifier (person).
> If I want to do a combined search on the identifier AND the taxon  
> name I actually have 2 ways of asking the query.
> 1) use the same identification object to do the AND. In SQL this  
> would be:
> SELECT * FROM specimen s JOIN identification i ON xxx WHERE  
> i.taxon_name = "Abies alba" AND i.identifier="Markus"
> 2) dont require the identifier to have done the identification of  
> the required name, but to be an independent constraint. In SQL you  
> would use an alias of that table:
> SELECT * FROM specimen s JOIN identification i1 ON xxx JOIN  
> identification i2 ON xxx WHERE i1.taxon_name = "Abies alba" AND  
> i2.identifier="Markus"
> This gives different results.
> And it is a common query in SDD when searching on characters.
> As far as I can see TAPIR cannot handle this, as a TAPIR request  
> doesnt know about the relations between concept. The entities,  
> classes whatever you would like to call it. A loose list of  
> independent concepts really doesnt seem to work. We might need to  
> know about the class relations/multiplicity at least on a high  
> level. In general this could be taken from an XML Schema as well as  
> OWL, RDFS or alike.
> Or we could prescribe a TAPIR service what to do in such cases. If  
> a complex AND query is received we could prescribe to resolve that  
> query in way #1 (i think its the more common intention). But then  
> noone would be able to ask questions of type2.
> Maybe we could discuss this further in the TAG meeting, Session 4:  
> Integration of Existing Technologies with a Core Ontology?
> I do not have an answer yet to that question, but I wanted to  
> spread the problem before the TAG meeting.
> Looking forward to meet you all in Edinburgh,
> Markus
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