[tdwg-humboldt] Fwd: Humboldt Task Group Meeting Wed 19 April 2023, 08:00 EST/12:00 UTC

John Wieczorek tuco at berkeley.edu
Tue May 2 13:55:33 UTC 2023


Hi folks,

Sorry I haven't been in on this conversation. I was away in Copenhagen and
without time for anything else. What is the state of this discussion?

Cheers,

John

On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 9:34 AM Yi Ming Gan <ymgan at naturalsciences.be>
wrote:

> Thank you so much Wesley, really appreciate it!
>
> Maybe dummy was not the right word to use.
> The isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive is specific for
> Occurrence (I think), but Humboldt extension is extending Event (not
> Occurrence) in Darwin Core Archive. Darwin Core Archive follows star
> schema. 1 Event can be associated with multiple Occurrences and Humboldt
> extension extends the Event (not Occurrence).
> If isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive is true for certain
> Occurrences and false for the other Occurrences in an Event, then the Event
> has to be duplicated in order to have a Humboldt record
> with isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive = true and another
> with isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive = false, with
> corresponding Occurrences link to each Event extended by Humboldt with such
> values.
>
> If my understanding is correct, then I am not sure if I understand the
> merit of having this term in the Humboldt Extension, when the examples in
> comment can be expressed in a simpler manner with existing Darwin Core
> terms. It is a different story in the new data model. However, people will
> not evaluate its usefulness based on the new data model in the public
> review, but in the context of Darwin Core.
>
> Anyway, I will try to express my thoughts better in the next meeting, then
> you all can correct me if I am wrong :) Thank you all so much for
> discussing it in the meeting yesterday!
>
> PS: Wesley, you are always essential to the team. Thank you for the email!
> Have a good trip!
>
>
>
> Sincerely
> Ming
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From: *"Wesley M. Hochachka" <wmh6 at cornell.edu>
> *Subject: **Re: [tdwg-humboldt] Humboldt Task Group Meeting Wed 19 April
> 2023, 08:00 EST/12:00 UTC*
> *Date: *19 April 2023 at 15:31:25 CEST
> *To: *Yi Ming Gan <ymgan at naturalsciences.be>, "Sica, Yanina" <
> yanina.sica at yale.edu>, Humboldt Core TG <tdwg-humboldt at lists.tdwg.org>
>
> Hi Ming,
>
>    First, I still cannot sent e-mail messages to the listserv, so could
> either you or Yani forward this message to the entire group?  Oh, and I
> have added Yani as a direct recipient so that I know that she will receive
> this message too.
>
>    Anyway, there was only a small group of us at today's meeting (Zach,
> Steve, and myself), and one of the things that we talked about was the
> message that you had sent earlier today.
>    We are not sure what you meant when you write about the need to create
> a "dummy Event", and why one would need to create a dummy event.  What I am
> speculating is that something in the documentation is leading you and I
> (and I assume Steve and Zach) to assume different things about the use of
> the term isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive.
>
>    It may not be efficient to use e-mail messages to ensure that all of us
> know understand the reason for what you wrote, so could you make certain to
> bring this up at the next meeting for discussion?
>    Oh, and I'm afraid that I won't be able to attend the meeting next
> Wednesday, because I will be inside a winged tube flying west over the
> Atlantic.  Zach and Steve should be able to explain my own questions about
> what you wrote, so I do not think that it is essential that I am at the
> meeting when this is discussed.
>
>    Oh...gotta run...I've got another meeting now!
>
> Wesley
>
>
>
> *******************
> Wesley Hochachka
> Senior Research Associate
> Cornell Lab of Ornithology
> ph. (607) 254-2484
> *******************
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Yi Ming Gan <ymgan at naturalsciences.be>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 19, 2023 05:09
> *To:* Humboldt Core TG <tdwg-humboldt at lists.tdwg.org>
> *Cc:* Wesley M. Hochachka <wmh6 at cornell.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [tdwg-humboldt] Humboldt Task Group Meeting Wed 19 April
> 2023, 08:00 EST/12:00 UTC
>
> Hi all,
>
>
> I have a deadline today, so I can’t attend the meeting. However, I tried
> to put isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive into tables (Darwin
> Core) based on the examples in the comment, so here are my thoughts:
>
>
> *1. It looks much simpler
> without isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive (Darwin Core
> Archive, not the new Unified Model)*
>
> If isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive = true
> Use case without “isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive”
>
> Occurrence
>
>
> occurrenceID
> eventID
> taxonID
> lifeStage
> organismQuantity
> organismQuantityType
> occ_01
> event_01
> taxon_01
> adult
> 1
> individual
> occ_02
> event_01
> taxon_01
> juvenile
> 2
> individual
> occ_03
> event_01
> taxon_01
>
> 1
> individual
>
>
> eventID
> Total individual of taxon_01
> event_01
> 4 = 1 adult + 2 juvenile + 1 no lifestage
>
>
>
> If isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive = false
> use case without “isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive”
>
> Occurrence
>
>
> occurrenceID
> eventID
> taxonID
> lifeStage
> organismQuantity
> organismQuantityType
> occ_01
> event_01
> taxon_01
> adult
> 1
> individual
> occ_02
> event_01
> taxon_01
> juvenile
> 2
> individual
> occ_03
> event_01
> taxon_01
>
> 4
> individual
>
>
> eventID
> Total individual of taxon_01
> event_01
> 7 = 1 adult + 2 juvenile + 4 no lifestage
>
>
> *2. Dummy Event needs to be created
> if isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive differs in each Taxon per
> sampling event **(Darwin Core Archive, not the new Unified Model)*
>
> *Multiple taxa per
> event with isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive*
>
> If this will lead to user creating dummy Event to use this term, I feel
> like people will not use it. I also think that then what is the point of
> using Event core this way?
>
> *Occurrence*
>
>
> occurrenceID
> eventID
> taxonID
> lifeStage
> organismQuantity
> organismQuantityType
> occ_01
> event_01
> taxon_01
> adult
> 1
> individual
> occ_02
> event_01
> taxon_01
> juvenile
> 2
> individual
> occ_03
> event_01
> taxon_01
>
> 4
> individual
> occ_04
> event_02
> taxon_02
>
> 4
> individual
>
> *Humboldt*
>
>
> eventID
> isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive
> Total individual of taxon
> event_01
> true
> taxon_01 = 1 adult + 2 juvenile + 1 no lifestage
> event_02
> false
> taxon_02 = 4 no lifeStage
>
>
> *Multiple taxa per
> event without isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive*
>
> *Occurrence*
>
>
> occurrenceID
> eventID
> taxonID
> lifeStage
> organismQuantity
> organismQuantityType
> occ_01
> event_01
> taxon_01
> adult
> 1
> individual
> occ_02
> event_01
> taxon_01
> juvenile
> 2
> individual
> occ_03
> event_01
> taxon_01
>
> 1
> individual
> occ_04
> event_01
> taxon_02
>
> 4
> individual
>
>
> eventID
> Total individual of taxon
> event_01
>
>    - taxon_01 = 1 adult + 2 juvenile + 1 no lifeStage
>    - taxon_02 = 4 no lifeStage
>
>
> Maybe I missed something but I am not sure what is the merit of having isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive
> in Darwin Core (not the new unified model)?
> I also put all the examples above in the slides in Humboldt google drive:
> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1lsCqdh_OeAFPgJYT9nqP82wqZgVNaDQpWpq7gnCAa3o/edit?usp=sharing
>
>
> Thanks a lot!!
>
>
> Sincerely
> Ming
>
>
> On 19 Apr 2023, at 04:01, ys628 <yanina.sica at yale.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am very sorry for the short notice. I will not be able to join our
> meeting. I had to travel to Argentina last minute to help my family. My mom
> had an emergency but now she is recovering very well so there is nothing to
> worry about.
>
> I will kindly ask you to discuss and review the following documents so we
> can finally submit the extension.
>
>    - Implementation report *(please review and add yourself as an author** here
>    <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RFdSHoyzWCQk9qO6uup4xQjWOMzPyBb-A0mcjj98hbk/edit#heading=h.8dmewb9wxxbk>*
>    *)*
>    - List of terms (*please review all eco: terms **here
>    <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AbUUKDkgilbtHu9Dh_5V2dnOeQNbKBcRo4d7VEDyqOg/edit#gid=673949815>*
>    *,* tab: complete_term_list_from_JW)
>    - Additional document to better explain eco:
>    *isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive* (*please add content,
>    examples, links to other terms, etc. to** this
>    <https://docs.google.com/document/d/11fPW4JibRWUnrtTOZwDkAcxo5d-lwnATXyh3xmO65rs/edit>*
>    *document*).
>       - This will be added as an official document to the list of terms.
>       The idea here, is that all the comments and relations of other terms will
>       be better captured in a separate document instead of making a terribly long
>       Comments section.
>    - Humboldt Extension Documentation *(please review** here
>    <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rX4m94rtZDR_8iIe3RvRnNYKDJcmSX3ii4S5hCznEA0/edit?usp=sharing>*
>    *)*
>       - This will not be an official document but will probably need to
>       be linked in our presentation. Basically, I took our testing guide and
>       removed all the parts related to the testing. We will need to update this
>       document and polish it.
>
> *When to meet*
> Wednesdays 8 am EST (see your time here
> <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20230419T120000&p1=1440&p2=111&p3=37&p4=136&p5=51&p6=179&p7=64&p8=75&p9=224&p10=248&p11=152>
> )
>
> *Where to meet*
> Zoom link: https://yale.zoom.us/j/97318391101
> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://yale.zoom.us/j/97318391101&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw131_ZV9o-84ivZDjGbSTBJ>
>
> Thank you and sorry for missing the meeting
>
> All the best,
>
> Yanina V. Sica, PhD
> Lead Data Team
> Map of Life <https://mol.org/> | Center for Biodiversity and Global Change
> <https://bgc.yale.edu/>
> Yale University
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