[tdwg-humboldt] Fwd: Humboldt Task Group Meeting Wed 19 April 2023, 08:00 EST/12:00 UTC

[Yi Ming Gan]

Thank you so much Wesley, really appreciate it!

Maybe dummy was not the right word to use. The isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive is specific for Occurrence (I think), but Humboldt extension is extending Event (not Occurrence) in Darwin Core Archive. Darwin Core Archive follows star schema. 1 Event can be associated with multiple Occurrences and Humboldt extension extends the Event (not Occurrence). If isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive is true for certain Occurrences and false for the other Occurrences in an Event, then the Event has to be duplicated in order to have a Humboldt record with isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive = true and another with isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive = false, with corresponding Occurrences link to each Event extended by Humboldt with such values.

If my understanding is correct, then I am not sure if I understand the merit of having this term in the Humboldt Extension, when the examples in comment can be expressed in a simpler manner with existing Darwin Core terms. It is a different story in the new data model. However, people will not evaluate its usefulness based on the new data model in the public review, but in the context of Darwin Core.

Anyway, I will try to express my thoughts better in the next meeting, then you all can correct me if I am wrong :) Thank you all so much for discussing it in the meeting yesterday!

PS: Wesley, you are always essential to the team. Thank you for the email! Have a good trip!



Sincerely
Ming


Begin forwarded message:

From: "Wesley M. Hochachka" <wmh6 at cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: [tdwg-humboldt] Humboldt Task Group Meeting Wed 19 April 2023, 08:00 EST/12:00 UTC
Date: 19 April 2023 at 15:31:25 CEST
To: Yi Ming Gan <ymgan at naturalsciences.be>, "Sica, Yanina" <yanina.sica at yale.edu>, Humboldt Core TG <tdwg-humboldt at lists.tdwg.org>

Hi Ming,

   First, I still cannot sent e-mail messages to the listserv, so could either you or Yani forward this message to the entire group?  Oh, and I have added Yani as a direct recipient so that I know that she will receive this message too.

   Anyway, there was only a small group of us at today's meeting (Zach, Steve, and myself), and one of the things that we talked about was the message that you had sent earlier today.
   We are not sure what you meant when you write about the need to create a "dummy Event", and why one would need to create a dummy event.  What I am speculating is that something in the documentation is leading you and I (and I assume Steve and Zach) to assume different things about the use of the term isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive.

   It may not be efficient to use e-mail messages to ensure that all of us know understand the reason for what you wrote, so could you make certain to bring this up at the next meeting for discussion?
   Oh, and I'm afraid that I won't be able to attend the meeting next Wednesday, because I will be inside a winged tube flying west over the Atlantic.  Zach and Steve should be able to explain my own questions about what you wrote, so I do not think that it is essential that I am at the meeting when this is discussed.

   Oh...gotta run...I've got another meeting now!

Wesley



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Wesley Hochachka
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Cornell Lab of Ornithology
ph. (607) 254-2484
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From: Yi Ming Gan <ymgan at naturalsciences.be>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 05:09
To: Humboldt Core TG <tdwg-humboldt at lists.tdwg.org>
Cc: Wesley M. Hochachka <wmh6 at cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: [tdwg-humboldt] Humboldt Task Group Meeting Wed 19 April 2023, 08:00 EST/12:00 UTC

Hi all,


I have a deadline today, so I can’t attend the meeting. However, I tried to put isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive into tables (Darwin Core) based on the examples in the comment, so here are my thoughts:


1. It looks much simpler without isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive (Darwin Core Archive, not the new Unified Model)

If isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive = true
Use case without “isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive”

Occurrence

occurrenceID
eventID
taxonID
lifeStage
organismQuantity
organismQuantityType
occ_01
event_01
taxon_01
adult
1
individual
occ_02
event_01
taxon_01
juvenile
2
individual
occ_03
event_01
taxon_01

1
individual

eventID
Total individual of taxon_01
event_01
4 = 1 adult + 2 juvenile + 1 no lifestage



If isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive = false
use case without “isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive”

Occurrence

occurrenceID
eventID
taxonID
lifeStage
organismQuantity
organismQuantityType
occ_01
event_01
taxon_01
adult
1
individual
occ_02
event_01
taxon_01
juvenile
2
individual
occ_03
event_01
taxon_01

4
individual

eventID
Total individual of taxon_01
event_01
7 = 1 adult + 2 juvenile + 4 no lifestage


2. Dummy Event needs to be created if isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive differs in each Taxon per sampling event (Darwin Core Archive, not the new Unified Model)

Multiple taxa per event with isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive

If this will lead to user creating dummy Event to use this term, I feel like people will not use it. I also think that then what is the point of using Event core this way?

Occurrence

occurrenceID
eventID
taxonID
lifeStage
organismQuantity
organismQuantityType
occ_01
event_01
taxon_01
adult
1
individual
occ_02
event_01
taxon_01
juvenile
2
individual
occ_03
event_01
taxon_01

4
individual
occ_04
event_02
taxon_02

4
individual

Humboldt

eventID
isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive
Total individual of taxon
event_01
true
taxon_01 = 1 adult + 2 juvenile + 1 no lifestage
event_02
false
taxon_02 = 4 no lifeStage


Multiple taxa per event without isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive

Occurrence

occurrenceID
eventID
taxonID
lifeStage
organismQuantity
organismQuantityType
occ_01
event_01
taxon_01
adult
1
individual
occ_02
event_01
taxon_01
juvenile
2
individual
occ_03
event_01
taxon_01

1
individual
occ_04
event_01
taxon_02

4
individual

eventID
Total individual of taxon
event_01

  *
taxon_01 = 1 adult + 2 juvenile + 1 no lifeStage
  *
taxon_02 = 4 no lifeStage

Maybe I missed something but I am not sure what is the merit of having isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive in Darwin Core (not the new unified model)?
I also put all the examples above in the slides in Humboldt google drive: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1lsCqdh_OeAFPgJYT9nqP82wqZgVNaDQpWpq7gnCAa3o/edit?usp=sharing

Thanks a lot!!


Sincerely
Ming


On 19 Apr 2023, at 04:01, ys628 <yanina.sica at yale.edu> wrote:

Hi all,

I am very sorry for the short notice. I will not be able to join our meeting. I had to travel to Argentina last minute to help my family. My mom had an emergency but now she is recovering very well so there is nothing to worry about.

I will kindly ask you to discuss and review the following documents so we can finally submit the extension.

  *   Implementation report (please review and add yourself as an author here<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RFdSHoyzWCQk9qO6uup4xQjWOMzPyBb-A0mcjj98hbk/edit#heading=h.8dmewb9wxxbk>)
  *   List of terms (please review all eco: terms here<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AbUUKDkgilbtHu9Dh_5V2dnOeQNbKBcRo4d7VEDyqOg/edit#gid=673949815>, tab: complete_term_list_from_JW)
  *   Additional document to better explain eco:isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive (please add content, examples, links to other terms, etc. to this <https://docs.google.com/document/d/11fPW4JibRWUnrtTOZwDkAcxo5d-lwnATXyh3xmO65rs/edit> document).
     *   This will be added as an official document to the list of terms. The idea here, is that all the comments and relations of other terms will be better captured in a separate document instead of making a terribly long Comments section.
  *   Humboldt Extension Documentation (please review here<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rX4m94rtZDR_8iIe3RvRnNYKDJcmSX3ii4S5hCznEA0/edit?usp=sharing>)
     *   This will not be an official document but will probably need to be linked in our presentation. Basically, I took our testing guide and removed all the parts related to the testing. We will need to update this document and polish it.

When to meet
Wednesdays 8 am EST (see your time here<https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20230419T120000&p1=1440&p2=111&p3=37&p4=136&p5=51&p6=179&p7=64&p8=75&p9=224&p10=248&p11=152>)

Where to meet
Zoom link: https://yale.zoom.us/j/97318391101<https://www.google.com/url?q=https://yale.zoom.us/j/97318391101&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw131_ZV9o-84ivZDjGbSTBJ>

Thank you and sorry for missing the meeting

All the best,

Yanina V. Sica, PhD
Lead Data Team
Map of Life<https://mol.org/> | Center for Biodiversity and Global Change<https://bgc.yale.edu/>
Yale University
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