Would a GitHub organization satisfy the requirements of the TDWG site?

- Dave V.

On 22 Sep 2014, at 8:46, Tim Robertson wrote:

Hi Dan,

Thanks for your offer.

As far as I recall, the TDWG executive decided at the last meeting to move onto a whole new platform and put contractor money aside to make it happen. I’m reluctant to point you at the tangled mess of the current system when I suspect it is to be replaced anyway. It really is a convoluted mess of Typo3 plugins, which try and keep a bunch of backend systems in sync and dues to bugs in there it does not work as expected. I really don’t think it is something you want to get into, but I sympathise that the TDWG site is broken and no-one is maintaining it… a simpler vanilla CMS solution that even requires more manual text editing etc. will be a far more manageable solution in my opinion.

@TDWG Executive folks - is it still the intention to contract out and do a basic CMS site? If not, I’ll try and pull up the code but I’d need your approval to get him a DB dump as it holds user credentials / subscriptions etc. Please can you advise us? Anything we can do to help?

Thanks, Tim

On 19 Sep 2014, at 23:05, Stoner, Dan dstoner@acis.ufl.edu wrote:

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I see in the tdwg-tag mailing list archives that the status of the Audubon Core Standard has been discussed recently:

http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-tag/2014-June/002558.html

So consider this another poke about getting the web site updated with the official status of the Standard.

If there is anything I can do to facilitate the web site update, please let me know (as in, I am volunteering to hack code or whatever is needed).

Thanks,

Dan Stoner iDigBio / ACIS Laboratory University of Florida _______________________________________________ tdwg-tag mailing list tdwg-tag@lists.tdwg.org http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tag

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If we ever need a TDWG organization on GitHub, I reserved the name about a year ago: https://github.com/tdwg

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Kampmeier, Gail E gkamp@illinois.edu wrote:

Stan Blum is working with contractors on the new TDWG site. --Gail

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Would a GitHub organization satisfy the requirements of the TDWG site?

• Dave V.

On 22 Sep 2014, at 8:46, Tim Robertson wrote:

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Hi Dan,

Thanks for your offer.

As far as I recall, the TDWG executive decided at the last meeting to move onto a whole new platform and put contractor money aside to make it happen. I’m reluctant to point you at the tangled mess of the current system when I suspect it is to be replaced anyway. It really is a convoluted mess of Typo3 plugins, which try and keep a bunch of backend systems in sync and dues to bugs in there it does not work as expected. I really don’t think it is something you want to get into, but I sympathise that the TDWG site is broken and no-one is maintaining it… a simpler vanilla CMS solution that even requires more manual text editing etc. will be a far more manageable solution in my opinion.

@TDWG Executive folks - is it still the intention to contract out and do a basic CMS site? If not, I’ll try and pull up the code but I’d need your approval to get him a DB dump as it holds user credentials / subscriptions etc. Please can you advise us? Anything we can do to help?

Thanks, Tim

On 19 Sep 2014, at 23:05, Stoner, Dan dstoner@acis.ufl.edu wrote:

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I see in the tdwg-tag mailing list archives that the status of the Audubon Core Standard has been discussed recently:

http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-tag/2014-June/002558.html

So consider this another poke about getting the web site updated with the official status of the Standard.

If there is anything I can do to facilitate the web site update, please let me know (as in, I am volunteering to hack code or whatever is needed).

Thanks,

Dan Stoner iDigBio / ACIS Laboratory University of Florida _______________________________________________ tdwg-tag mailing list tdwg-tag@lists.tdwg.org http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tag

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+1 for TDWG “resources” in github! Maybe even GitHub pages for most of the website.

Over the years we have followed too many different guidelines and styles and never cleaned up much to bring them all into a standard format. I would bet all standards are in some versioning system somewhere. But I guess this is not true for the final zip archive. DwC is in Google code, TAPIR for example is in the SVN TDWG once provided: http://www.tdwg.org/dav/subgroups/tapir/1.0/docs/tdwg_tapir_specification_20...

Originally we tried to establish RDDL pages under http://rs.tdwg.org/ , which was served from TDWGs internal SVN, for all subgroups and standards. For example: http://rs.tdwg.org/abcd/2.06/rddl-2007-10-18.html http://rs.tdwg.org/tapir/1.0/rddl.html

Maybe it is time for a major cleanup.

Markus

On 22 Sep 2014, at 15:54, Steve Baskauf steve.baskauf@vanderbilt.edu wrote:

Regardless of whether the TDWG website ever gets fixed or not, it really would be a good idea to put the actual standards zip files onto some kind of version control system like Github. We had the situation where someone inadvertently wrote over the TAPIR standard archive so that when one clicked to download the TAPIR standard from the page linked to its permanent URL, one got the GUID applicability statement instead. Literally, there was NO copy of the standard that could be downloaded from anywhere. I was able to reconstruct all of the documents in the zip archive and get it back up through the bizarre, jury-rigged system that exposes those archives. But it really is unbelievable that it could even be possible that a standards organization could lose the only copy of a standard. I say put them on Github, too. It at least makes it possible to recover from an accidental delete.

Steve

Peter Desmet wrote:

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If we ever need a TDWG organization on GitHub, I reserved the name about a year ago: https://github.com/tdwg

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Kampmeier, Gail E gkamp@illinois.edu wrote: Stan Blum is working with contractors on the new TDWG site. --Gail

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Would a GitHub organization satisfy the requirements of the TDWG site?

• Dave V.

On 22 Sep 2014, at 8:46, Tim Robertson wrote:

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Hi Dan,

Thanks for your offer.

As far as I recall, the TDWG executive decided at the last meeting to move onto a whole new platform and put contractor money aside to make it happen. I’m reluctant to point you at the tangled mess of the current system when I suspect it is to be replaced anyway. It really is a convoluted mess of Typo3 plugins, which try and keep a bunch of backend systems in sync and dues to bugs in there it does not work as expected. I really don’t think it is something you want to get into, but I sympathise that the TDWG site is broken and no-one is maintaining it… a simpler vanilla CMS solution that even requires more manual text editing etc. will be a far more manageable solution in my opinion.

@TDWG Executive folks - is it still the intention to contract out and do a basic CMS site? If not, I’ll try and pull up the code but I’d need your approval to get him a DB dump as it holds user credentials / subscriptions etc. Please can you advise us? Anything we can do to help?

Thanks, Tim

On 19 Sep 2014, at 23:05, Stoner, Dan dstoner@acis.ufl.edu wrote:

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I see in the tdwg-tag mailing list archives that the status of the Audubon Core Standard has been discussed recently:

http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-tag/2014-June/002558.html

So consider this another poke about getting the web site updated with the official status of the Standard.

If there is anything I can do to facilitate the web site update, please let me know (as in, I am volunteering to hack code or whatever is needed).

Thanks,

Dan Stoner iDigBio / ACIS Laboratory University of Florida _______________________________________________ tdwg-tag mailing list tdwg-tag@lists.tdwg.org http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tag

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There seems to be support for using GitHub for the standards themselves. Other content could easily be supported via a MediaWiki installation. I don't undertsand why we would want to continue with Typo3 - are there reasons?

Joel.

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Dave Vieglais wrote:

Would a GitHub organization satisfy the requirements of the TDWG site?

• Dave V.

On 22 Sep 2014, at 8:46, Tim Robertson wrote:

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Hi Dan,

Thanks for your offer.

As far as I recall, the TDWG executive decided at the last meeting to move onto a whole new platform and put contractor money aside to make it happen. I’m reluctant to point you at the tangled mess of the current system when I suspect it is to be replaced anyway. It really is a convoluted mess of Typo3 plugins, which try and keep a bunch of backend systems in sync and dues to bugs in there it does not work as expected. I really don’t think it is something you want to get into, but I sympathise that the TDWG site is broken and no-one is maintaining it… a simpler vanilla CMS solution that even requires more manual text editing etc. will be a far more manageable solution in my opinion.

@TDWG Executive folks - is it still the intention to contract out and do a basic CMS site? If not, I’ll try and pull up the code but I’d need your approval to get him a DB dump as it holds user credentials / subscriptions etc. Please can you advise us? Anything we can do to help?

Thanks, Tim

On 19 Sep 2014, at 23:05, Stoner, Dan dstoner@acis.ufl.edu wrote:

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I see in the tdwg-tag mailing list archives that the status of the Audubon Core Standard has been discussed recently:

http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-tag/2014-June/002558.html

So consider this another poke about getting the web site updated with the official status of the Standard.

If there is anything I can do to facilitate the web site update, please let me know (as in, I am volunteering to hack code or whatever is needed).

Thanks,

Dan Stoner iDigBio / ACIS Laboratory University of Florida _______________________________________________ tdwg-tag mailing list tdwg-tag@lists.tdwg.org http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tag

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My immediate practical concern is that I am creating slides for various conference presentations and it is awkward to link to the official pages such as the TDWG AC page [1] or the list of standards [2] that indicate a non-DRAFT status.

Further investigation shows that maybe I just need to use the Audubon Core Term List document in the wiki [3] when I am sharing info about AC to the world?

[1] http://www.tdwg.org/standards/638/ [2] http://www.tdwg.org/standards/ [3] http://terms.tdwg.org/wiki/Audubon_Core_Term_List

- Dan Stoner

________________________________ From: Tim Robertson [trobertson@gbif.org] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 8:46 AM To: Stoner, Dan; Cynthia Parr Cc: tdwg-tag@lists.tdwg.org; TDWG Content Mailing List; tdwg@lists.tdwg.org Subject: Re: [tdwg-tag] another poke about Audubon Core status

Hi Dan,

Thanks for your offer.

As far as I recall, the TDWG executive decided at the last meeting to move onto a whole new platform and put contractor money aside to make it happen. I’m reluctant to point you at the tangled mess of the current system when I suspect it is to be replaced anyway. It really is a convoluted mess of Typo3 plugins, which try and keep a bunch of backend systems in sync and dues to bugs in there it does not work as expected. I really don’t think it is something you want to get into, but I sympathise that the TDWG site is broken and no-one is maintaining it… a simpler vanilla CMS solution that even requires more manual text editing etc. will be a far more manageable solution in my opinion.

@TDWG Executive folks - is it still the intention to contract out and do a basic CMS site? If not, I’ll try and pull up the code but I’d need your approval to get him a DB dump as it holds user credentials / subscriptions etc. Please can you advise us? Anything we can do to help?

Thanks, Tim

On 19 Sep 2014, at 23:05, Stoner, Dan <dstoner@acis.ufl.edumailto:dstoner@acis.ufl.edu> wrote:

I see in the tdwg-tag mailing list archives that the status of the Audubon Core Standard has been discussed recently:

http://lists.tdwg.org/pipermail/tdwg-tag/2014-June/002558.html

So consider this another poke about getting the web site updated with the official status of the Standard.

If there is anything I can do to facilitate the web site update, please let me know (as in, I am volunteering to hack code or whatever is needed).

Thanks,

Dan Stoner iDigBio / ACIS Laboratory University of Florida _______________________________________________ tdwg-tag mailing list tdwg-tag@lists.tdwg.org http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-tag