[tdwg-tapir] Abundance data

Tue Dec 9 18:47:50 CET 2008

If the only thing stopping us is a quorum, make that 9!

2008/12/8 Piers Higgs <Piers at gaiaresources.com.au>:
> Add another vote to this proposal from me, too.
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> 8 votes
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> Piers
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> From: tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org on behalf of Lee Belbin
> Sent: Tue 2/12/2008 5:19 AM
> To: 'TAPIR mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data
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> I like simple:
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> 7 votes
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> Lee Belbin
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> TDWG Secretariat
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> From: tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org
> [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Richards
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 7:11 AM
> To: Holetschek, Jörg; Wouter Addink; TAPIR mailing list
> Subject: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data
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> Me too, I've been thinking the same thing lately.
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> Just goes to show we should open our mouths and voice our opinions more
> often.  :-)
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> +1 vote
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> = 6  (total)
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> From: tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org
> [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of Holetschek, Jörg
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 4:12 a.m.
> To: Wouter Addink; TAPIR mailing list
> Subject: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data
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> count me too... even though i haven't been very active on these lists yet...
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org
> [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org]Im Auftrag von Wouter Addink
> Gesendet: Montag, 1. Dezember 2008 15:18
> An: 'TAPIR mailing list'
> Betreff: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data
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> +1 kudo
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> Wouter
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> [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of Roger Hyam
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:07 PM
> To: Tim Robertson
> Cc: TAPIR mailing list
> Subject: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data
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> Make that 3 votes total.
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> Roger
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> On 1 Dec 2008, at 14:03, Tim Robertson wrote:
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> On 1 Dec 2008, at 14:59, Markus Döring (GBIF) wrote:
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> As the average TDWG mailing list is not exactly overloaded with posts, how
> about consolidating TDWG's mailinglists into just 3?
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> An announcement list for TDWG business (tdwg+process), a technical one
> (TAG,GUID+TAPIR) and just a single content one.
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> This would probably also help to avoid duplication of efforts and to produce
> more consistent results across the subgroups.
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> Just an idea.
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> Markus
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> On Dec 1, 2008, at 13:29, Holetschek, Jörg wrote:
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> Tomas,
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> there's a wiki you might find interesting:
> http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki/bin/view/
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> But as far as I know, this is the only mailing list alive for discussions
> like that...
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> Jörg
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: bar tomas [mailto:bartomas at gmail.com]
> Gesendet: Montag, 1. Dezember 2008 13:13
> An: Holetschek, Jörg
> Betreff: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data
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> Thanks for all your help.
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> One last question: is there a mailing list for specifically discussing
> conceptual aspects of Darwin Core, ABCD, etc (I haven't been able to find
> one) or is Tapir mailing list for that purpose?
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> Thanks
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> T. Bar
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> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Holetschek, Jörg <j.holetschek at bgbm.org>
> wrote:
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> Dear Thomas,
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> the ABCD schema can handle such unbounded data - but the only TAPIR provider
> software that supports ABCD (pyWrapper) is not quite bug free. So you'd have
> to use the BioCASe protcol - which is apparently not your intention.
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> Cheers from Berlin,
> Jörg
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org
> [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org]Im Auftrag von Tim Robertson
> (GBIF)
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 30. November 2008 16:22
> An: bar tomas
> Cc: tdwg-tapir at lists.tdwg.org
> Betreff: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data
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> This is correct... largely it is used for transfer of detailed single
> specimen records.
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> That is not so say you could not define some schema that reuses sections
> of DwC or the TDWG vocabularies - you probably would have to get into
> custom provider software in that case (although maybe the current tools
> would allow for it - Renato could give advice for TAPIRLink on this).
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> Cheers
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> Tim
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>> Thanks a lot for the information.
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>> I suppose when the record is composed of multiple  specimens  (whose
>> number
>> is recorded in ObservedIndividualCount) the individual attributes of each
>> specimen (age, sex, maturity, etc) cannot be stored.
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>> Tomas Bar
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>> On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Tim Robertson <trobertson at gbif.org>
>> wrote:
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>>> Hi T. Bar
>>> You might consider the OBIS extensions for Darwin Core since you are
>>> concerned with marine stuff.
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>>> http://iobis.org/obis/obis.xsd
>>>
>>> SampleSize:  the size of the sample from which the
>>> collection/observation was drawn.  It can be a volume (e.g. for a
>>> phytoplankton sample), a linear distance (e.g. for a visual transect or
>>> net haul), a surface area (e.g. for a benthic core), etc.  This field
>>> must also include the units, e.g. 200 mfor a transect, or 0.25 m^2 for a
>>> benthic grab (use ^ to denote a superscript).  Note that when multiple
>>> collections/observations are reported from the same physical sample, a
>>> code identifying the sample can be placed in the Field_Number field to
>>> allow all collections/observations from a single sample to be connected.
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>>> IndividualCount is a count of specimens (e.g. not a count of species).
>>> If
>>> you want to indicate multiple species, then you would have a record for
>>> each
>>> along with the identification and the count  of individuals of that
>>> species.
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>>> So in the OBIS schema you have:
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>>> ObservedIndividualCount: The number of individuals (abundance) found in
>>> a collection/record event.
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>>>
>>> Cheers,
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>>> Tim
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>>>   On 28 Nov 2008, at 17:05, bar tomas wrote:
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>>>   Sorry if this question is misplaced in this discussion list, but I
>>> haven't been able to find a mailing list on the conceptual aspects of
>>> Darwin
>>> Core.
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>>> I am interested to know if there are any recommendations on how to
>>> represent abundance in Darwin Core. I have seen some datasets using
>>> IndividualCount and SampleSize. For instance, for a fishing survey,
>>> would
>>> you use IndividualCount for the number of species in a catch, and
>>> SampleSize
>>> for the distance towed?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you very much
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