[tdwg-tapir] Abundance data

Mon Dec 8 13:34:02 CET 2008

Add another vote to this proposal from me, too.

8 votes

Piers

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From: tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org on behalf of Lee Belbin
Sent: Tue 2/12/2008 5:19 AM
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Subject: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data

I like simple:

7 votes

Lee Belbin

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From: tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Richards
Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 7:11 AM
To: Holetschek, Jörg; Wouter Addink; TAPIR mailing list
Subject: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data

Me too, I've been thinking the same thing lately.

Just goes to show we should open our mouths and voice our opinions more often.  :-)

+1 vote

= 6  (total)

From: tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of Holetschek, Jörg
Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 4:12 a.m.
To: Wouter Addink; TAPIR mailing list
Subject: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data

count me too... even though i haven't been very active on these lists yet...

	-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
	Von: tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org]Im Auftrag von Wouter Addink
	Gesendet: Montag, 1. Dezember 2008 15:18
	An: 'TAPIR mailing list'
	Betreff: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data

	+1 kudo

	Wouter

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	From: tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org [mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of Roger Hyam
	Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:07 PM
	To: Tim Robertson
	Cc: TAPIR mailing list
	Subject: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data

	Make that 3 votes total.

	Roger

	On 1 Dec 2008, at 14:03, Tim Robertson wrote:

	+1 vote 

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	+2 (total)

	On 1 Dec 2008, at 14:59, Markus Döring (GBIF) wrote:

	As the average TDWG mailing list is not exactly overloaded with posts, how about consolidating TDWG's mailinglists into just 3?

	An announcement list for TDWG business (tdwg+process), a technical one (TAG,GUID+TAPIR) and just a single content one. 

	This would probably also help to avoid duplication of efforts and to produce more consistent results across the subgroups.

	Just an idea.

	Markus

	http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo

	On Dec 1, 2008, at 13:29, Holetschek, Jörg wrote:

	Tomas,

	there's a wiki you might find interesting: http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki/bin/view/

	But as far as I know, this is the only mailing list alive for discussions like that...

	Jörg

		-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
		Von: bar tomas [mailto:bartomas at gmail.com]
		Gesendet: Montag, 1. Dezember 2008 13:13
		An: Holetschek, Jörg
		Betreff: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data

		Thanks for all your help.

		One last question: is there a mailing list for specifically discussing conceptual aspects of Darwin Core, ABCD, etc (I haven't been able to find one) or is Tapir mailing list for that purpose?

		Thanks

		T. Bar

		On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Holetschek, Jörg <j.holetschek at bgbm.org> wrote:

		Dear Thomas,

		the ABCD schema can handle such unbounded data - but the only TAPIR provider software that supports ABCD (pyWrapper) is not quite bug free. So you'd have to use the BioCASe protcol - which is apparently not your intention.

		Cheers from Berlin,
		Jörg

		-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
		Von: tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org
		[mailto:tdwg-tapir-bounces at lists.tdwg.org]Im Auftrag von Tim Robertson
		(GBIF)
		Gesendet: Sonntag, 30. November 2008 16:22
		An: bar tomas
		Cc: tdwg-tapir at lists.tdwg.org
		Betreff: Re: [tdwg-tapir] Abundance data

		This is correct... largely it is used for transfer of detailed single
		specimen records.

		That is not so say you could not define some schema that reuses sections
		of DwC or the TDWG vocabularies - you probably would have to get into
		custom provider software in that case (although maybe the current tools
		would allow for it - Renato could give advice for TAPIRLink on this).

		Cheers

		Tim

		> Thanks a lot for the information.
		>
		> I suppose when the record is composed of multiple  specimens  (whose
		> number
		> is recorded in ObservedIndividualCount) the individual attributes of each
		> specimen (age, sex, maturity, etc) cannot be stored.
		>
		>
		>
		> Tomas Bar
		>
		>
		> On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Tim Robertson <trobertson at gbif.org>
		> wrote:
		>
		>> Hi T. Bar
		>> You might consider the OBIS extensions for Darwin Core since you are
		>> concerned with marine stuff.
		>>
		>> http://iobis.org/obis/obis.xsd
		>>
		>> SampleSize:  the size of the sample from which the
		>> collection/observation was drawn.  It can be a volume (e.g. for a
		>> phytoplankton sample), a linear distance (e.g. for a visual transect or
		>> net haul), a surface area (e.g. for a benthic core), etc.  This field
		>> must also include the units, e.g. 200 mfor a transect, or 0.25 m^2 for a
		>> benthic grab (use ^ to denote a superscript).  Note that when multiple
		>> collections/observations are reported from the same physical sample, a
		>> code identifying the sample can be placed in the Field_Number field to
		>> allow all collections/observations from a single sample to be connected.
		>>
		>>
		>> IndividualCount is a count of specimens (e.g. not a count of species).
		>> If
		>> you want to indicate multiple species, then you would have a record for
		>> each
		>> along with the identification and the count  of individuals of that
		>> species.
		>>
		>> So in the OBIS schema you have:
		>>
		>> ObservedIndividualCount: The number of individuals (abundance) found in
		>> a collection/record event.
		>>
		>>
		>> Cheers,
		>>
		>> Tim
		>>
		>>
		>>
		>>   On 28 Nov 2008, at 17:05, bar tomas wrote:
		>>
		>>   Sorry if this question is misplaced in this discussion list, but I
		>> haven't been able to find a mailing list on the conceptual aspects of
		>> Darwin
		>> Core.
		>>
		>>
		>> I am interested to know if there are any recommendations on how to
		>> represent abundance in Darwin Core. I have seen some datasets using
		>> IndividualCount and SampleSize. For instance, for a fishing survey,
		>> would
		>> you use IndividualCount for the number of species in a catch, and
		>> SampleSize
		>> for the distance towed?
		>>
		>>
		>> Thank you very much
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		>>
		>>
		>>
		>

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