[tdwg-humboldt] ALA data team feedback

Fri Oct 20 12:21:51 UTC 2023

HI All

I am not sure how others feel, but I think of  ALA as a leader in the
challenges that the extension faces because of the diversity of data types
ALA aggregates. If the extension does a good job of supporting what ALA is
already doing, then that will help ensure the chances of
successfully capturing survey/inventory data in all of their complexity

My suggestion would be to have Peggy, along with Peter of course, join us
and share a case study from the ALA that best illustrates the main points
the ALA review has raised.

Thoughts from others, especially Peter....

Best, Rob

On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 6:08 AM Kate Ingenloff <kathryn.ingenloff at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I've only had a chance to take a quick look at the responses provided by
> Peggy and the ALA team, but thus far the feedback seems great! It's really
> good to have these very clear and precise thoughts. Thank you, Peggy, to
> you and your crew. :)
>
> I will start going through this in greater detail and add to the GH. I
> will link the relevant GH issue to each issue in the document so the
> progress is obvious (and can be corrected if others feel that there's a
> more appropriate route for addressing the comment).
>
> @Yi Ming Gan <ymgan at naturalsciences.be>, I'm not seeing your comments on
> the document.
>
> Cheers,
> Kate
>
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 1:24 AM Dmitry Schigel <dschigel at gbif.org> wrote:
>
>> Sounds reasonable, and we can / should treat ALA and iDIV feedback as
>> public review issues (now with new DL). It would probably help Steve and
>> others if the ALA report is indeed sliced into GH issues that can be
>> handled one by one. @Kate Ingenloff <kingenloff at gbif.org> – unless
>> someone else volunteers, could you perhaps take care of this? This would
>> not only improve issue management, but also archive suggestions and
>> concerns in the same space for the public review process.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am back to office on Tuesday and hope to meet with Kate soon after to
>> see how we can further help the process.
>>
>>
>>
>> I had very rich discussion at TDWG and GBIF days here in Australia, and
>> it is important that any potential incompatibilities with ALA are resolved,
>> as ALA is one of our best chances to champion Humboldt here down under, and
>> same for iDIV in continental Europe. It actually sounds like we might be
>> able to process both reports and maybe complete the examples in November…
>> Also GBIF work programme 2024 is just approved, giving us green light on
>> focusing on ecology data streams = Humboldt, and ratification is an
>> enabling factor GBIF to coordinate the rollout.
>>
>>
>>
>> As promised, I will also speak to Joe about the guide-finishing contract
>> and possible budget for that in a bout week from now.
>>
>>
>>
>> @Robert Guralnick <robgur at gmail.com>, GBIF Science committee is
>> supportive of the guide + paper approach, we should coordinate how
>> completion of the guide (hopefully c/o GBIFS) and Humboldt paper 2.0 (which
>> I understood you agreed to lead-write) work together (overlaps, lengths,
>> links, timelines etc).
>>
>>
>>
>> The list of target conferences to market the extension (+guide, + paper)
>> is also becoming clearer for 2024 and 2025.
>>
>>
>>
>> BR
>>
>> Dmitry
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* tdwg-humboldt <tdwg-humboldt-bounces at lists.tdwg.org> *On Behalf
>> Of *John Wieczorek
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 19 October, 2023 00:31
>> *To:* Humboldt Core TG <tdwg-humboldt at lists.tdwg.org>; Wesley M.
>> Hochachka <wmh6 at cornell.edu>
>> *Subject:* Re: [tdwg-humboldt] ALA data team feedback
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>
>>
>> In our meeting today we discussed that the time requirement for the
>> public comment to Humboldt has now been met without any outstanding issues,
>> but we did not have any time to review the document shared here.
>> Independent of that document we agreed that we would keep the public review
>> open at least until Ani has had a chance to corral her iDiv audience and
>> discuss the extension live and in person.
>>
>>
>>
>> We also discussed the remaining promised Task Group task of mapping
>> additional data sets to get to the total of seven. As that was a proposed
>> output of the Task Group, it doesn't affect the term ratification process,
>> and is open to justification to the Executive committee if not all seven
>> are actually delivered. If we can though, great, and the timeline for doing
>> so only really affects the disbanding of the Task Group. Since we will wait
>> at least two weeks for the iDiv feedback and we need to assess this
>> document from Peggy and add issues to the issue tracker as appropriate, we
>> are likely looking at at least another 30 days of public comments from the
>> time that is done anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> So the big task for next week is to discuss the ALA report, and even
>> before then, if possible, get any clear issue into the Humboldt Extension
>> issue tracker (https://github.com/tdwg/hc/issues).
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 8:55 AM ys628 <yanina.sica at yale.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Peggy,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you so much for the detailed revision and for sharing your feedback
>> with us.
>>
>> This is very useful for us particularly because the issues you found are
>> clearly described and justified, I really appreciate this.
>>
>>
>>
>> We have a meeting today (which unfortunately I cannot assist) but I would
>> ask the group to start revising your feedback.
>>
>> I uploaded the document
>> <https://docs.google.com/file/d/1OxJ_H5vBd9pucjdgQDa6qMaQKl4O89gf/edit?usp=docslist_api&filetype=msword>
>> to our shared Drive so we can start adding our comments in response to your
>> findings.
>>
>>
>>
>> After internally discussing your feedback, I will reach out to you and
>> invite you to join our meetings so we can find a solution.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you again and I am glad you find the Humbold a useful addition!
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Yanina Sica
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yanina V. Sica, PhD
>>
>> Lead Data Team
>>
>> Map of Life <https://mol.org/> | Center for Biodiversity and Global
>> Change <https://bgc.yale.edu/>
>>
>> Yale University
>>
>> pronouns: she/her/hers
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* tdwg-humboldt <tdwg-humboldt-bounces at lists.tdwg.org> on behalf
>> of Newman, Peggy (NCMI, Clayton) <Peggy.Newman at csiro.au>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 18, 2023 6:42:28 AM
>> *To:* tdwg-humboldt at lists.tdwg.org <tdwg-humboldt at lists.tdwg.org>
>> *Subject:* [tdwg-humboldt] ALA data team feedback
>>
>>
>>
>> Greetings Team Humboldt!
>>
>>
>>
>> It was sure nice to catch up with some of you over the past weeks.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a document that we’ve put together with our suggestions for the
>> extension. Our team had two discussions about it, and Doug wrote up our
>> conclusions in a 2 pager word doc.
>>
>>
>>
>> So I’ve tried to attach them here, but don’t know how the listserv will
>> cope with a document.  Let’s see.
>>
>>
>>
>> In any case, how is best to proceed from here? Let us know if you’d like
>> to talk in person I guess.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Peggy
>>
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