[tdwg-humboldt] ALA data team feedback

Fri Oct 20 02:38:34 UTC 2023

Hey all,

A big thank you to ALA data team for the comments!! I am now looking at Humboldt Extension in the way that I have never done before! I really appreciate the honest, thorough and insightful feedback, thank you very much!!

I added my comments (personal opinion) in the ALA feedback document as I will be on vacation after sending this email until 2 January 2024. Things that I did not comment either means I don’t understand (e.g. descriptive and normative of taxonomicScopeType) or I don’t have the answer (e.g. some terms exist before I joined the task group).

I hope my comments are helpful, but please take it with a grain of salt. It could be nonsense as these 2 weeks have been very intense to me. If you would like to engage OBIS in the conversation especially in the work of controlled vocabularies, please reach out to helpdesk at obis.org <mailto:helpdesk at obis.org> 

I will ketchup again in early next year! Happy Christmas and New Year in advanced :) Thank you very much for your hard work!

Cheers
Ming

> On 20 Oct 2023, at 10:24, Dmitry Schigel <dschigel at gbif.org> wrote:
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> Sounds reasonable, and we can / should treat ALA and iDIV feedback as public review issues (now with new DL). It would probably help Steve and others if the ALA report is indeed sliced into GH issues that can be handled one by one. @Kate Ingenloff <mailto:kingenloff at gbif.org> – unless someone else volunteers, could you perhaps take care of this? This would not only improve issue management, but also archive suggestions and concerns in the same space for the public review process.
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> I am back to office on Tuesday and hope to meet with Kate soon after to see how we can further help the process.
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> I had very rich discussion at TDWG and GBIF days here in Australia, and it is important that any potential incompatibilities with ALA are resolved, as ALA is one of our best chances to champion Humboldt here down under, and same for iDIV in continental Europe. It actually sounds like we might be able to process both reports and maybe complete the examples in November… Also GBIF work programme 2024 is just approved, giving us green light on focusing on ecology data streams = Humboldt, and ratification is an enabling factor GBIF to coordinate the rollout.
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> As promised, I will also speak to Joe about the guide-finishing contract and possible budget for that in a bout week from now.
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> @Robert Guralnick <mailto:robgur at gmail.com>, GBIF Science committee is supportive of the guide + paper approach, we should coordinate how completion of the guide (hopefully c/o GBIFS) and Humboldt paper 2.0 (which I understood you agreed to lead-write) work together (overlaps, lengths, links, timelines etc).
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> The list of target conferences to market the extension (+guide, + paper) is also becoming clearer for 2024 and 2025.
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> BR
> Dmitry
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> From: tdwg-humboldt <tdwg-humboldt-bounces at lists.tdwg.org> On Behalf Of John Wieczorek
> Sent: Thursday, 19 October, 2023 00:31
> To: Humboldt Core TG <tdwg-humboldt at lists.tdwg.org>; Wesley M. Hochachka <wmh6 at cornell.edu>
> Subject: Re: [tdwg-humboldt] ALA data team feedback
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> Dear all,
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> In our meeting today we discussed that the time requirement for the public comment to Humboldt has now been met without any outstanding issues, but we did not have any time to review the document shared here. Independent of that document we agreed that we would keep the public review open at least until Ani has had a chance to corral her iDiv audience and discuss the extension live and in person.
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> We also discussed the remaining promised Task Group task of mapping additional data sets to get to the total of seven. As that was a proposed output of the Task Group, it doesn't affect the term ratification process, and is open to justification to the Executive committee if not all seven are actually delivered. If we can though, great, and the timeline for doing so only really affects the disbanding of the Task Group. Since we will wait at least two weeks for the iDiv feedback and we need to assess this document from Peggy and add issues to the issue tracker as appropriate, we are likely looking at at least another 30 days of public comments from the time that is done anyway.
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> So the big task for next week is to discuss the ALA report, and even before then, if possible, get any clear issue into the Humboldt Extension issue tracker (https://github.com/tdwg/hc/issues <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Ftdwg%2Fhc%2Fissues&data=05%7C01%7Cymgan%40naturalsciences.be%7Cc13bb7bca6b045157bae08dbd0fa8315%7C4da8d35db472419c9e15665786aadbfb%7C1%7C0%7C638333546584392031%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=M4XNaFnNwEwEwN8NyXfihHVi630YnjCw%2BJB2Bcc4%2B10%3D&reserved=0>).
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> Cheers,
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> John
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> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 8:55 AM ys628 <yanina.sica at yale.edu <mailto:yanina.sica at yale.edu>> wrote:
> Dear Peggy,
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> Thank you so much for the detailed revision and for sharing your feedback with us. 
> This is very useful for us particularly because the issues you found are clearly described and justified, I really appreciate this.
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> We have a meeting today (which unfortunately I cannot assist) but I would ask the group to start revising your feedback. 
> I uploaded the document <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1OxJ_H5vBd9pucjdgQDa6qMaQKl4O89gf%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Ddocslist_api%26filetype%3Dmsword&data=05%7C01%7Cymgan%40naturalsciences.be%7Cc13bb7bca6b045157bae08dbd0fa8315%7C4da8d35db472419c9e15665786aadbfb%7C1%7C0%7C638333546584392031%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=v%2BlFqpC6%2FuPpgnz614JWOvv%2BaFMHCeDH4KmBSy8AosU%3D&reserved=0> to our shared Drive so we can start adding our comments in response to your findings.
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> After internally discussing your feedback, I will reach out to you and invite you to join our meetings so we can find a solution.
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> Thank you again and I am glad you find the Humbold a useful addition!
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> Best,
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> Yanina Sica
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> Yanina V. Sica, PhD
> Lead Data Team
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> From: tdwg-humboldt <tdwg-humboldt-bounces at lists.tdwg.org <mailto:tdwg-humboldt-bounces at lists.tdwg.org>> on behalf of Newman, Peggy (NCMI, Clayton) <Peggy.Newman at csiro.au <mailto:Peggy.Newman at csiro.au>>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 6:42:28 AM
> To: tdwg-humboldt at lists.tdwg.org <mailto:tdwg-humboldt at lists.tdwg.org> <tdwg-humboldt at lists.tdwg.org <mailto:tdwg-humboldt at lists.tdwg.org>>
> Subject: [tdwg-humboldt] ALA data team feedback
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> Greetings Team Humboldt!
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> It was sure nice to catch up with some of you over the past weeks.
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> I have a document that we’ve put together with our suggestions for the extension. Our team had two discussions about it, and Doug wrote up our conclusions in a 2 pager word doc.
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> So I’ve tried to attach them here, but don’t know how the listserv will cope with a document.  Let’s see.
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> In any case, how is best to proceed from here? Let us know if you’d like to talk in person I guess.
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> Cheers
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> Peggy
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