<div><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica">I have several issues with LSIDs</p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica">1) I don't agree that life science data is "different" than geological, meteorological, or chemical data.</p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica">2) The persistence of LSID identifiers is as problematic as URL based identifiers. In fact, it is worse because</p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"> the system adds an additional layer of poorly supported standards that few people understand and</p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"> even fewer implement correctly.</p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica">3) LSIDs increase the implementation costs significantly beyond the costs required for domain registration and</p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"> a web server. For most implementations you will need a additional machine (virtual or otherwise) and someone</p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"> who understands the intricacies of LSIDs.</p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica">4) Tim Berners-Lee feels that LSIDs are unnecessary, and after spending several years looking at this issue I</p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"> think he is right. Even if TBL is wrong, you have positioned yourself for an uphill battle for adoption.</p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica">5) There is a well developed and widely adopted standard for integrating data sets developed by the</p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"> TBL and the linked data community that addresses the needs of the TDWG community.</p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica">For those who are not familiar with this initiative, check out the linked data site at: <a href="http://linkeddata.org/">http://linkeddata.org/</a></p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #2552a4"><span style="color: #000000">and Tim Berners-Lee recent talk at TED </span><span style="text-decoration: underline"><a href="http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/tim_berners_lee_on_the_next_web.html">http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/tim_berners_lee_on_the_next_web.html</a></span></p>
</div><div><br></div>Respectfully,<div><br></div><div>- Pete</div><div><br></div><div>---------------------------------------------------------------<br>Pete DeVries<br>Department of Entomology<br>University of Wisconsin - Madison<br>
445 Russell Laboratories<br>1630 Linden Drive<br>Madison, WI 53706</div><div><a href="http://species.geospecies.org/">GeoSpecies Knowledge Base</a></div><div>------------------------------------------------------------<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 5:14 PM, <span dir="ltr"><Garry.Jolley-Rogers@csiro.au></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Hi Hilmar,<br>
Struggling with exactly these issues as I implement LSID's here.<br>
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It is a concern (especially given the underlying principles of permanence embodied in LSIDS) that the LSID project itself lacks resilience. Code can still be obtained tho' the documentation I can find is out of date and dependencies may be too. I'll know very soon - by the end of today. Like many things out there.. It seems to be withering now that the initial enthusiasm has died. While the collections community may think in centuries, permanence in LSIDS seems to mean a few years. Perhaps my google-fu has failed me.. If so please tell me.<br>
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My questions.... Is there sufficient interest and community involvement to keep it alive .... Even it is no more than an update documentation & co. Perhaps it should be brought into the TDWG fold? Any comments? Happy to contribute what I can.<br>
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GarryJR<br>
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Subject: [tdwg-tag] SourceForge LSID project websites broken<br>
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The websites for the two LSID projects on SourceForge are broken:<br>
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<a href="http://lsids.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank">http://lsids.sourceforge.net/</a><br>
<a href="http://lsid.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank">http://lsid.sourceforge.net/</a><br>
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I believe the latter project is defunct (can someone confirm this?)<br>
but the first should be alive, right (and this URL is in fact linked<br>
to on the TDWG website).<br>
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Does anyone know what's going on?<br>
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-hilmar<br>
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