[tdwg-tag] RDF/OWL Good Practices Task Group

Peter DeVries pete.devries at gmail.com
Mon Oct 17 22:50:09 CEST 2011

Hi Hilmar, by your comments I then assume that anyone can take anything you
have published etc and represent it as their own work.

I have tried to get TDWG to move in this direction since 2006-2007 so
forgive me if I am a bit surprised by how you now think we can't wait.

I was the first person to post on this list the following:

1) We need a separate TDWG standard for the Linked Open Data Cloud
2) We need to have test cases and test datasets.
3) I was the first to post such a test data set.

Others stated that the had tried it but did not understand it. At this time
they could have written to ask me to explain something.

Instead they though it would be best to create their own.

Also doesn't this new group seem to go against the recommendations of GBIF's
KOS report.

Perhaps one of the authors of that report could explain what exactly was
different from my earlier proposals and those of this new group?

In good faith I thought that participating in TDWG would be beneficial in
that we could get all the groups involved on the same page.

It was for this reason that I held off publishing to build consensus.

Unfortunately this delay has come a great personal cost to me.

It seems that my hope of getting any form of employment based on my thesis
is unlikely since TDWG has done such a good job co-opting my work.

In retrospect I wish I had not gotten involved with TDWG in the first place.

- Pete

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Hilmar Lapp <hlapp at nescent.org> wrote:

> Pete -
> let me just steal a quote from the numerous people who must have stated
> this before in some form or another: When you set something free, it's free.
> It is no longer yours to control.
> While I think most or all of us understand this very well for open-source
> and certainly for public-domain software source code, this is as true for
> publishing (freeing) data, and certainly as much for freeing knowledge and
> ideas. If you put an idea out on a public discussion forum, you've set your
> idea free. You've set it free for others to reuse in whatever form they see
> fit. That's the power of openness in advancing science, whether by
> open-sourcing code, publishing data under CC0, or posting ideas on blogs
> (let alone mailing lists).
> If you don't want your ideas reused, or can only tolerate certain kinds of
> reuses but not others, then keep them to yourself. In my mind, open groups
> such as mailing lists, and the TDWG interest groups for that matter, are for
> merciless reuse, within the confines of common professional ethics. There is
> nothing unethical, in my mind, if someone were stimulated or persuaded by
> your efforts to change their mind on something, even if to the extent that
> they now vigorously argue that new standpoint as their own. What could be
> more convincing about the merits of the efforts that led to that. If that's
> something you can say you've accomplished within TDWG, I'd be very proud of
> it; it's certainly much more than I ever have.
> We all know the saying of plagiarism being the sincerest form of flattery.
> In that sense, if I ever got someone in TDWG to copy an idea of mine and
> reproduce it as their own, it'd be one of my proudest moments (unless, of
> course, it were one of my numerous bad ideas). This isn't about you or me or
> us, Pete - at least as far as I'm concerned the reason I'm in here is to
> advance our knowledge of biodiversity so that in the end this world becomes
> a better place. If in order to get there it takes someone else copying my
> idea as theirs, that's fine - it won't dampen my energy for a second.
> And no, I won't say anything further on this matter - to me, it's just
> really a huge distraction from what we, including you, Pete, can really
> contribute to the group.
> -hilmar
> On Sep 28, 2011, at 5:11 PM, Peter DeVries wrote:
> Hi TDWG'ers,
> I thought it would be good to explain in a different way how I see TDWG
> functioning.
> There are people who take pride in their intellect.
> If it turns out that they are wrong they can experience a form of cognitive
> dissonance.
> The either consciously or unconsciously convince themselves that the
> original person taking the "correct side" was wrong, or that they had
> actually heard it somewhere else (they were never on the "wrong" side)
> In some cases, they are aware of what they are doing and actively try to
> punish or exclude the person who "corrected" them.
> In the tale "The Emperor's New Clothes" (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor's_New_Clothes )
> a child spoke up while others remained silent - afraid of what might happen
> to them if the told the King the truth.
> The reason this is popular tale has been translated into 100 languages, is
> that this kind of behavior is so common.
> The irony is that not about intellect. but emotions.
> Has anyone else on this list had the experience of be punished after
> correctly pointing out a flaw in someone else's logic?
> Is this behavior at odds with the goals and best interests of the group?
> I am concerned that there is only place in TDWG for the Kings and those
> that allow them to keep there Ego's happy.
> Respectfully,
> - Pete
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:46 PM, joel sachs <jsachs at csee.umbc.edu> wrote:
>> Greetings everyone,
>> After some back and forth amongst Steve Baskauf, myself, Greg Whitbread,
>> and the executive, we've decided to move forward with an RDF/OWL task
>> group, convened under the TAG. Our task will be to deliver a document
>> comprising
>> i. use cases and competency questions;
>> ii. well documented examples of addressing those use cases via rdf and
>> sparql; and
>> iii. discussion of advantages and disadvantages of the approaches
>> illustrated by the examples.
>> Our draft charter is at
>> http://code.google.com/p/tdwg-rdf/wiki/CharterOfTG
>> and we welcome comments, suggestions, and better ideas. One area where
>> we're still open is the question of whether or not our deliverable should
>> be an official Best Current Practice document [1]. The charter reflects
>> our current feeling that it should not. After we deliver our "book of use
>> cases and examples", options would include being re-chartered by the TAG
>> to produce a best practices document, spinning off as a "Semantic Web
>> Interest Group", or disbanding (either in triumph or despair).
>> When we were planning to convene as an Interest Group, several of you
>> accepted our invitation to serve as core members, and we hope that
>> convening as a Task Group does not change your willingness to do so. If
>> you would like to be a core member of the group, and we haven't yet
>> contacted you, there's a good chance that we will. But don't wait! Feel
>> free to volunteer for core membership. (And recall that you don't have to
>> be a "core member to" contribute.)
>> In regards timeline, I'd like to incorporate any feedback we receive, and
>> submit the charter to the executive at the end of this week, in hopes of
>> being chartered by New Orleans.
>> Many thanks!
>> Joel.
>> 1. http://www.tdwg.org/standards/status-and-categories/
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Pete DeVries
Department of Entomology
University of Wisconsin - Madison
445 Russell Laboratories
1630 Linden Drive
Madison, WI 53706
Email: pdevries at wisc.edu
TaxonConcept <http://www.taxonconcept.org/>  &
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