[tdwg-content] A proposal to improve Darwin Core for invasive species data

Fri May 27 07:10:56 CEST 2016

Hi all
I agree on the good work and heads up. Small face to face workshops on the
standards when it wss possible to organize them proofed indeed very useful
and productive.
In the executive we are aware of this. If you feel that there would be a
need for such one on this topic a dress it to the executive so we can look
into it. Similar to the small Darwin core  extension meeting organized a
couple of years ago in Belgium.
With my best wishes
Pat
On 27 May 2016 05:51, "Shorthouse, David" <davidpshorthouse at gmail.com>
wrote:

> All,
>
> I second, third, and fourth similar spirited support. John, you have
> inspired growth & have helped our community to lift ourselves up from
> drudgery. We've failed to see it, but collecting and depositing
> specimens is the highest form of academic and social responsibility.
>
> What strikes me most from this dialogue is the implicit, unwritten
> word. Email signatures have included nicely structured,
> without-a-second-thought links to ORCID profiles. Can we please
> inspire to do the same for specimens as we've now very quickly done
> for ourselves? Failure to do so with its legacy of excuses is no
> longer an option.
>
> David
>
> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Lee Belbin <leebelbin at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi John et al,
> >
> > Ditto (to Annie's comment) from me.
> >
> > As most of you know, I have been standing back from TDWG for a few years
> > now, but it has been hard to avoid interest in the development of TDWG's
> > most significant standard. I have been aware of at least three
> independent
> > suggestions that are relevant to my interests.
> >
> > As from the beginning, the difficulty remains in getting wise heads
> together
> > (face-to-face) and getting consensus on recommendations in a timely
> manner.
> > The TDWG meetings are too busy without sufficient time to achieve
> outcomes.
> > Teleconferencing is great in theory but hopeless in practice. The only
> > alternative is to find time and $ for dedicated meetings adjacent to, or
> > separate from the TDWG Conference. It has been done before to good
> effect.
> >
> > I raise this as I believe that the time for such a meeting is well and
> truly
> > here.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Lee
> >
> > Lee Belbin
> > Blatant Fabrications Pty Ltd
> > Tasmania
> >
> > On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 4:04 AM, Quentin Groom
> > <quentin.groom at plantentuinmeise.be> wrote:
> >>
> >> I second Annie, this is a real problem in Biodiversity Informatics in
> >> general. Unless you can turn maintenance tasks into peer reviewed papers
> >> then you get little credit for it.
> >> Quentin
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dr. Quentin Groom
> >> (Botany and Information Technology)
> >>
> >> Botanic Garden Meise
> >> Domein van Bouchout
> >> B-1860 Meise
> >> Belgium
> >>
> >> ORCID: 0000-0002-0596-5376
> >>
> >> Landline; +32 (0) 226 009 20 ext. 364
> >> FAX:      +32 (0) 226 009 45
> >>
> >> E-mail:     quentin.groom at plantentuinmeise.be
> >> Skype name: qgroom
> >> Website:    www.botanicgarden.be
> >>
> >>
> >> On 25 May 2016 at 17:57, John Wieczorek <tuco at berkeley.edu> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Annie. I don't plan to give up, it's just that I don't feel I
> have
> >>> been doing it justice for a while now.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Simpson, Annie <asimpson at usgs.gov>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Chiming in now, very briefly...
> >>>>
> >>>> John, you are the DwC champion who has kept it moving forward in a
> >>>> comprehensible and useful way. The TDWG community is very grateful
> for your
> >>>> work on this and I personally hope you don't give up the good fight.
> >>>>
> >>>> Annie Simpson, biologist & information scientist
> >>>> http://orcid.org/0000-0001-8338-5134
> >>>> BISON project (http://bison.usgs.ornl.gov)
> >>>> Core Science Analytics, Synthesis, & Libraries Program
> >>>> U.S. Geological Survey, MS 302
> >>>> 12201 Sunrise Valley Drive
> >>>> Reston, Virginia  20192
> >>>> =================
> >>>> asimpson at usgs.gov
> >>>> 703.648.4281 desk
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 7:26 AM, John Wieczorek <tuco at berkeley.edu>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One primary idea behind the BCO is indeed as the proving ground you
> >>>>> mention. The challenge is having consistent available resources to
> do that
> >>>>> work. With BCO it could be a particular challenge, I think, since it
> can
> >>>>> cover so much semantic space. I would love to be in a position to be
> a
> >>>>> proper BCO caretaker, but I have not even been able to do a good job
> with
> >>>>> Darwin Core as it is.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 2:00 AM, Quentin Groom
> >>>>> <quentin.groom at plantentuinmeise.be> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Interesting! I had not come across Apple Core before. Isn't this
> >>>>>> proving-ground role something that the Biological Collections
> Ontology can
> >>>>>> also do?
> >>>>>> I like the idea of a Darwin Core with different levels of adherence
> to
> >>>>>> rules. I agree that strict enforcement of rules will inhibit the
> flow of
> >>>>>> data, but in my own experience there are simple fields that I could
> have
> >>>>>> easily completed in a standardized way, if only I could have found a
> >>>>>> suitable recommendation to follow. Hierarchical vocabularies are
> >>>>>> particularly useful here, because they have built in flexibility.
> >>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>> Quentin
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dr. Quentin Groom
> >>>>>> (Botany and Information Technology)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Botanic Garden Meise
> >>>>>> Domein van Bouchout
> >>>>>> B-1860 Meise
> >>>>>> Belgium
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ORCID: 0000-0002-0596-5376
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Landline; +32 (0) 226 009 20 ext. 364
> >>>>>> FAX:      +32 (0) 226 009 45
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> E-mail:     quentin.groom at plantentuinmeise.be
> >>>>>> Skype name: qgroom
> >>>>>> Website:    www.botanicgarden.be
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 25 May 2016 at 03:17, John Wieczorek <tuco at berkeley.edu> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think it is indeed worthwhile to have content standards to go
> with
> >>>>>>> the term definitions. Applce Core (now under renewed development at
> >>>>>>> https://github.com/tdwg/applecore) is a good example of this.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 6:16 PM, Chuck Miller
> >>>>>>> <Chuck.Miller at mobot.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> John,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It’s interesting how long that text has been out there, and
> without
> >>>>>>>> much comment.  It seems to presume there is a binary situation:
> tightly
> >>>>>>>> controlled vocabulary that is exclusive or loosely controlled
> that is
> >>>>>>>> inclusive.   Maybe it’s time now to consider something additional
> in the
> >>>>>>>> middle.  We know a lot more about how the Darwin Core standard is
> being
> >>>>>>>> used, or at least have plenty of examples.  With the addition of
> use cases
> >>>>>>>> into the standards for terms, progress could be made on
> use-case-based
> >>>>>>>> standard vocabulary that could reduce the “garbage in/garbage
> out” problem
> >>>>>>>> that comes from being totally inclusive.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> TDWG standards in the 80s and 90s were a little more about
> >>>>>>>> controlled vocabulary and reducing garbage than they have been in
> the 00s
> >>>>>>>> and 10s.  Maybe we should spend some time on that aspect of data
> exchange
> >>>>>>>> again and use cases could be a method.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Chuck
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From: tdwg-content [mailto:tdwg-content-bounces at lists.tdwg.org]
> On
> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of John Wieczorek
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 2:48 PM
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> To: Quentin Groom
> >>>>>>>> Cc: TDWG Content Mailing List
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [tdwg-content] A proposal to improve Darwin Core for
> >>>>>>>> invasive species data
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I would say that the primary factor driving the philosophy for
> loose
> >>>>>>>> controlled vocabulary recommendations is a desire to promote the
> stability
> >>>>>>>> of Darwin Core term definitions, because changes can be
> disruptive. Section
> >>>>>>>> 1.4 on the Simple Darwin Core page
> >>>>>>>> (http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/simple/index.htm) gives further
> practical
> >>>>>>>> arguments for this stance. I have copied the relevant text here
> for
> >>>>>>>> convenience:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "There is a difference between having data in a field and
> requiring
> >>>>>>>> that field to have a value from among a legal set of values. The
> Darwin Core
> >>>>>>>> is simple in that it has minimal restrictions on the contents of
> fields. The
> >>>>>>>> term comments give recommendations about the use of controlled
> vocabularies
> >>>>>>>> and how to structure content wherever appropriate. Data
> contributors are
> >>>>>>>> encouraged to follow these recommendations as well as possible.
> You might
> >>>>>>>> argue that having no restrictions will promote "dirty" data (data
> of low
> >>>>>>>> quality or dubious value). Consider the simple axiom "It's not
> what you
> >>>>>>>> have, but what you do with it that matters." If data restrictions
> were in
> >>>>>>>> place at the fundamental level, then a record having any
> non-compliant data
> >>>>>>>> in any of its fields could not be shared via the standard. Not
> only would
> >>>>>>>> there be a dearth of shared data in that case (or an unused
> standard), but
> >>>>>>>> also there would be no way to use the standard to build shared
> data cleaning
> >>>>>>>> tools to actually improve the situation, nor to use data services
> to look up
> >>>>>>>> alternative representations (language translations, for example)
> to serve a
> >>>>>>>> broader audience. The rest is up to how the records will be used
> - in other
> >>>>>>>> words, it is up to applications to enforce further restrictions if
> >>>>>>>> appropriate, and it is up to the stakeholders of those
> applications to
> >>>>>>>> decide what the restrictions will be for the purpose the
> application is
> >>>>>>>> trying to serve."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Quentin Groom
> >>>>>>>> <quentin.groom at plantentuinmeise.be> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi Paco,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm glad to hear Plinian Core is active, I only recently
> discovered
> >>>>>>>> it and think it is a good initiative. The species data I've seen
> is in quite
> >>>>>>>> diverse and in unstandardised formats. It would be nice to see
> some of the
> >>>>>>>> big providers using Plinian Core.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm not so worried about imposing limitations on users, because as
> >>>>>>>> far as I can see Darwin Core only recommends vocabularies, it
> doesn't
> >>>>>>>> enforce them. Having said that, it would be useful to know what
> is meant by
> >>>>>>>> "Recommended best practice is to use a controlled vocabulary",
> because if
> >>>>>>>> Darwin Core doesn't impose a vocabulary and there is no field to
> specify
> >>>>>>>> which vocabulary you are using then it doesn't help
> interoperability much.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm happy to also discuss off list. Invasiveness and impact are
> >>>>>>>> difficult to standardize and so far I've chosen other fields that
> I consider
> >>>>>>>> easier to gain consensus on.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Quentin
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dr. Quentin Groom
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (Botany and Information Technology)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Botanic Garden Meise
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Domein van Bouchout
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> B-1860 Meise
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Belgium
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ORCID: 0000-0002-0596-5376
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Landline; +32 (0) 226 009 20 ext. 364
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> FAX:      +32 (0) 226 009 45
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> E-mail:     quentin.groom at plantentuinmeise.be
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Skype name: qgroom
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Website:    www.botanicgarden.be
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 24 May 2016 at 19:08, Francisco Pando <pando at gbif.es> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Quentin et al.,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Plinian Core is active and backed up by an international group
> that
> >>>>>>>> seeks expansion. A session is planned in TDWG 2016 about it
> within the
> >>>>>>>> Species Information Interest Group slot.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Invasiveness" is a section within the Plinian Core schema:
> >>>>>>>>
> https://github.com/PlinianCore/Documentation/wiki/InvasivenessClass
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It is much based on the GISIN schema.   This can be revisited,
> >>>>>>>> updated and harmonized with current initiatives, some mentioned
> in this
> >>>>>>>> thread. Quentin, we may do a bit of exchange of-list
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Whereas shared vocabularies bring plenty of good things , I share
> >>>>>>>> Chuck’s concerns about imposing some unwanted limitations for
> some potential
> >>>>>>>> users of the schema.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Paco
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Francisco Pando
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Investigador
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Real Jardín Botánico - CSIC
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Plaza de Murillo, 2
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 28014 Madrid, Spain
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Tel.+34 91 420 3017 x 172
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From: tdwg-content [mailto:tdwg-content-bounces at lists.tdwg.org]
> On
> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Quentin Groom
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 10:10 PM
> >>>>>>>> To: Chuck Miller
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cc: TDWG Content Mailing List
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [tdwg-content] A proposal to improve Darwin Core for
> >>>>>>>> invasive species data
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi Chuck,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> thanks for your point. The use cases I'm thinking of are
> >>>>>>>> conservation red-listing; horizon-scanning for potential new
> invasives;
> >>>>>>>> early warning of new aliens; impact assessment and invasion
> monitoring. We
> >>>>>>>> have recently be discussing the possibility of automating all of
> these
> >>>>>>>> process so that they can be repeated regularly, or as soon as new
> data
> >>>>>>>> becomes available. Obviously, for this we need observations, but
> we also
> >>>>>>>> need check-lists to tell us what is considered native or alien,
> present or
> >>>>>>>> extinct.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I know more about invasive species research than red-listing, but
> I
> >>>>>>>> am aware that the current rate of red-listing is so slow that
> most things
> >>>>>>>> will become extinct before they are assessed. Given that the IUCN
> criteria
> >>>>>>>> are so clear, it should be possible to automate the whole process
> using
> >>>>>>>> GBIF. The only limitation with then be mobilizing the
> observations.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Quentin
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dr. Quentin Groom
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (Botany and Information Technology)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Botanic Garden Meise
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Domein van Bouchout
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> B-1860 Meise
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Belgium
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ORCID: 0000-0002-0596-5376
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Landline; +32 (0) 226 009 20 ext. 364
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> FAX:      +32 (0) 226 009 45
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> E-mail:     quentin.groom at plantentuinmeise.be
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Skype name: qgroom
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Website:    www.botanicgarden.be
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 23 May 2016 at 21:10, Chuck Miller <Chuck.Miller at mobot.org>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Quentin,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I think in addition to defining the community that needs the new
> >>>>>>>> Origin term, you also need to define the use cases to which the
> proposed
> >>>>>>>> controlled vocabularies for establishmentMeans and
> occurenceStatus apply.
> >>>>>>>> Darwin Core is used in multiple ways.  I think there may be use
> cases for
> >>>>>>>> these terms that don’t match the invasive species use cases. One
> controlled
> >>>>>>>> vocabulary may not work for all Darwin Core users.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Chuck
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Chuck Miller | VP-IT & CIO | Missouri Botanical Garden
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 4344 Shaw Boulevard | Saint Louis, MO 63110 | Phone 314-577-9419
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From: tdwg-content [mailto:tdwg-content-bounces at lists.tdwg.org]
> On
> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of John Wieczorek
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 1:36 PM
> >>>>>>>> To: Quentin Groom
> >>>>>>>> Cc: TDWG Content Mailing List
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [tdwg-content] A proposal to improve Darwin Core for
> >>>>>>>> invasive species data
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi Quentin,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thank you for your effort in putting forth these welll thought out
> >>>>>>>> proposals. At various times I have heard discussions on the
> inadequecy of
> >>>>>>>> establishmentMeans. Your work encapsulates the problem well.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> One of the things that helps when proposing to add a Darwin Core
> >>>>>>>> term is demonstrating that there is a community that needs it.
> Can you tell
> >>>>>>>> us who has a demonstrated need to share this information? Anyone
> out there
> >>>>>>>> who has this interest is also welcome to share that here to
> provide evidence
> >>>>>>>> of demand from more than one group, project or individual.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> John
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Quentin Groom
> >>>>>>>> <quentin.groom at plantentuinmeise.be> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I've been working on a proposal to improve Darwin Core for use
> with
> >>>>>>>> invasive species data.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The proposal is detailed on GitHub at
> >>>>>>>>
> https://github.com/qgroom/ias-dwc-proposal/blob/master/proposal.md.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The proposal is for a new term "origin" and suggested vocabularies
> >>>>>>>> for establishmentMeans and occurrenceStatus.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'd welcome your feedback on the proposal.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From my perspective it provides some needed clarity on the
> >>>>>>>> establishmentMeans and occurrenceStatus fields, but also adds the
> origin
> >>>>>>>> that is needed for invasive species research and for conservation
> >>>>>>>> assessments.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm not sure of the best way to discuss this, but if you have
> >>>>>>>> concrete proposals for changes you might raise them as issues on
> GitHub, as
> >>>>>>>> well as mentioning them here.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Quentin
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dr. Quentin Groom
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (Botany and Information Technology)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Botanic Garden Meise
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Domein van Bouchout
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> B-1860 Meise
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Belgium
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ORCID: 0000-0002-0596-5376
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Landline; +32 (0) 226 009 20 ext. 364
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> FAX:      +32 (0) 226 009 45
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> E-mail:     quentin.groom at plantentuinmeise.be
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Skype name: qgroom
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Website:    www.botanicgarden.be
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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