[dwc-material-sample] [EXT] Re: TDWG presentation authorship

Fri Jul 1 06:00:14 UTC 2022

Hi all,

+10 to what Christian wrote.

Part of the discussion surrounding the development of the late-stage 
symposium was the aspect of interlinkages and interdependencies among 
the simultaneously working task groups. This is and continues to be 
certainly true for MatSample and LtC - in both directions. Several 
properties of the core LtC class ObjectGroup were delimited and are 
defined following the discussion here in the MatSample group, as well as 
the AC group.

Also, for me there are close ties to the DES development, and thus the 
openDS data model development. I am a bit amazed that nobody intervened 
about the kind of siloed presentation of GBIF's data model and hasn't 
immediately set it into the wider data model landscape and current 
efforts of mapping and thus building bridges and integrating standards.

Maybe such interlinkages with fellow travelers can be highlighted in the 
presentation, showing how productive they are and important for moving 
forward.

Today we can give ourselves a clear goal: reliable extensible data for 
post-2020 GBF monitoring in three years. It's up to us to rise to such 
an ambitious challenge.

Best wishes,

Jutta

On 30.06.22 16:39, Bölling, Christian wrote:
> Hi Teresa,
> 
> I would what you refer to as “philosophizing” rather describe as trying 
> to achieve conceptual clarity for the terms to be used and their 
> dependencies. If anything, I consider this the most important part of 
> developing a set of standardized terms. Especially if they come in a 
> bag. In fact, my suggestions to the abstract were aiming to clarify just 
> that. Thank you for accepting these suggestions, I have added myself as 
> co-author now.
> 
> I received the same feedback from the organizers: only the presenting 
> author is required to register for the conference.
> 
> --- Christian
> 
> *Von:*dwc-material-sample <dwc-material-sample-bounces at lists.tdwg.org> 
> *Im Auftrag von *Teresa Mayfield-Meyer
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2022 15:51
> *An:* Jutta Buschbom <jutta.buschbom at statistical-genetics.de>
> *Cc:* dwc-material-sample at lists.tdwg.org
> *Betreff:* [EXT] Re: [dwc-material-sample] TDWG presentation authorship
> 
> Jutta and team,
> 
> Thanks for your contribution - I definitely added it in! I made this all 
> very vague because I don't know exactly where we will be at the time of 
> the conference. I did not want to over-promise on outcomes we might 
> discuss. If anyone else thinks this sounds negative - please edit or 
> comment! I do plan to talk about the fact that we spent several months 
> philosophizing - that isn't bad, I think it is reality when doing this 
> kind of work and we should accept that as part of the process.
> 
> I would like everyone who has participated to sign on as an author if 
> they are already going to TDWG or they are willing to register. I think 
> it is a crappy policy to require all authors to register - and I will 
> bring this up with TDWG in conference surveys. Not all contributors to a 
> presentation are able to attend the actual conference. Maybe go ahead 
> and put yourself down as an author either way - who will be checking?
> 
> The abstract is due on Friday, but Steve is traveling that day, so I am 
> trying to get it in today so that it will be one less thing for him to 
> worry about. I'll give everyone until 2PM USA mountain time, then I'll 
> prepare the submission.
> 
> Adios,
> 
> Teresa J. Mayfield-Meyer
> *Arctos <https://arctosdb.org/> Community Coordinator*
> 
> *ORCiD - 0000-0002-1970-7044 <https://orcid.org/0000-0002-1970-7044>*
> 
> It's not dead if it has data!
> 
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 1:59 AM Jutta Buschbom 
> <jutta.buschbom at statistical-genetics.de 
> <mailto:jutta.buschbom at statistical-genetics.de>> wrote:
> 
>     Dear Teresa and Steve,
>     Dear all,
> 
>     Thank you very much for initiating the abstract for TDWG2022.
> 
>     Reading it yesterday, I added to it a small aspect that I thought was
>     missing. Likely I have been sufficiently involved to be a potential
>     coauthor. However, I am hesitating to add myself to the list, since
>     I am
>     coorganizer for a symposium and workshop and won't be able to really
>     contribute to the development of the abstract and presentation.
> 
>     Still, I wonder why nobody has added themselves as coauthors, since my
>     impression had been that we had been/are a rather inspired,
>     good-natured
>     and engaged group.
> 
>     Currently, the abstract doesn't seem to be a good description of the
>     group's process. It also sounds rather negative. I wonder if I am the
>     only one to perceive it in this way.
> 
>     Until reading the text today, I thought that the atmosphere in the
>     group
>     had been good, we discussed much more than what originally had been
>     planned (eg. AC, DES, GBIF, DwC "ontology"), however that seemed
>     necessary and productive. For the philosophical/theoretical topics that
>     I focused on, we seemed to share wide overlaps if not general
>     consensus,
>     and did move towards common understanding(s), even if we didn't nail
>     this down explicitly. I thought actually we had the potential for a
>     paper or two in the making. In the end, Teresa, your moderation brought
>     us back to very concretely identify and define terms, the original goal.
> 
>     SPNHC2022's viral parting gift had me in its grip at the time of the
>     last monthly meeting. Though, the next meeting is in my calendar and I
>     am very interested in the current state of the discussion on the
>     iSample
>     vocabularies, having their application to GRSciColl in the back of
>     my mind.
> 
>     We are actually a pretty large group, let's be as communicative and
>     productive with the abstract and presentation as we have been
>     throughout.
> 
>     Best wishes,
> 
>     Jutta
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     On 29.06.22 00:07, Teresa Mayfield-Meyer wrote:
>      > TDWG MaterialSample Task Group Member,
>      >
>      > The abstract for our presentation at the TDWG 2022 SYM15 Information
>      > session about late-stage Task Group submissions of standards
>     additions
>      > is due on Friday. I need to determine who to list as authors on
>      > this brief presentation that will review what we have done to date.
>      > Anyone who’s participated substantively in the discussions could be
>      > co-authors, however, I believe that there is a requirement that
>      > co-authors be registered for the conference and that’s a minimum
>     of 120
>      > euros for remote participation and more for in-person. So whoever
>     wants
>      > to be a co-author would have to be willing to pony up that
>     amount. If
>      > you want to be a co-author please add your name and details just
>     under
>      > mine and Steve's in the draft in process here
>      >
>     <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1coVwKWy-m4OEiIsT2KhxH3irRr8UWfmZavRdlL-Mnp4/edit?usp=sharing
>     <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1coVwKWy-m4OEiIsT2KhxH3irRr8UWfmZavRdlL-Mnp4/edit?usp=sharing>>by
> 
>      > noon on Thursday. Feel free to comment or edit the abstract
>     itself as well.
>      >
>      > Thanks everyone!
>      >
>      > Teresa J. Mayfield-Meyer
>      > *Arctos <https://arctosdb.org/ <https://arctosdb.org/>> Community
>     Coordinator*
>      > *ORCiD - 0000-0002-1970-7044
>     <https://orcid.org/0000-0002-1970-7044
>     <https://orcid.org/0000-0002-1970-7044>>*
>      > It's not dead if it has data!
>      >
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