Audubon Core? Acronym is tricky though. ADBC is acronym of major new nsf initiative Advancing Digitization of Biological Collections.
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On Nov 15, 2010 8:52 AM, "Gregor Hagedorn" g.m.hagedorn@gmail.com wrote:
I dislike the mermaids. Also nobody explained what the d stand for... is it the Data inside metadata?
How about calling it
HaeckelCore (Ernst Haeckel, famous biological scientist and illustrator, also a German, I admit)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Haeckel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunstformen_der_Natur
may be the most famous English illustrator instead?
Gregor
I like Audubon Core, even though it is long, it salutes a very famous and prolific illustrator and publicizer of natural history illustrations. Certainly if Audubon had had other media in which to record his observations, he would have. The name should pop up prominently and give a nice story in tribute for this standard. Bravo. Thanks too to Gregor for getting us to think along these lines!
Gail
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Audubon Core? Acronym is tricky though. ADBC is acronym of major new nsf initiative Advancing Digitization of Biological Collections.
Bob
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On Nov 15, 2010 8:52 AM, "Gregor Hagedorn" <g.m.hagedorn@gmail.com> wrote: I dislike the mermaids. Also nobody explained what the d stand for... is it the Data inside metadata? How about calling it HaeckelCore (Ernst Haeckel, famous biological scientist and illustrator, also a German, I admit) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Haeckel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunstformen_der_Natur may be the most famous English illustrator instead? Gregor
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I like it.
(cute chicks = WIN ;-)
Gail
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:49:27 +0100 From: Gregor Hagedorn g.m.hagedorn@gmail.com Subject: Re: [tdwg-tag] namespaces To: gkamp@illinois.edu Cc: Bob Morris morris.bob@gmail.com, José Cuadra (GBIF) jcuadra@gbif.org, Greg Riccardi
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Audubon Core.
(and the abbreviation could be AC)
Gregor
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Much as I would love to be the convenor of mrmd, I must concede that Audubon Core has way more marketability.
Two issues then arise: 1. An acronym for use in name spaces and communication; 2. the need(?) for a word to replace "core" in describing the most important terms in the proposed standard, and which are the ones we suggest are the minimal set that implementers of consuming software should be prepared to handle gracefully. Audubon Core Core sounds silly and confusing to me.
As to 1., I somewhat favor some form of adbn. Or if we must end it in "c" and can't tolerate adbnc, then maybe adnc (resp. AdnC).
As to 2, I have no suggestion
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Gregor Hagedorn g.m.hagedorn@gmail.com wrote:
Audubon Core.
(and the abbreviation could be AC)
Gregor
Not to throw cold water on a cute idea, but would it be good to consider possible confusion/trademark issues with the National Audubon Society, which is generically known as "Audubon"? Steve
Bob Morris wrote:
Much as I would love to be the convenor of mrmd, I must concede that Audubon Core has way more marketability.
Two issues then arise: 1. An acronym for use in name spaces and communication; 2. the need(?) for a word to replace "core" in describing the most important terms in the proposed standard, and which are the ones we suggest are the minimal set that implementers of consuming software should be prepared to handle gracefully. Audubon Core Core sounds silly and confusing to me.
As to 1., I somewhat favor some form of adbn. Or if we must end it in "c" and can't tolerate adbnc, then maybe adnc (resp. AdnC).
As to 2, I have no suggestion
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Gregor Hagedorn g.m.hagedorn@gmail.com wrote:
Audubon Core.
(and the abbreviation could be AC)
Gregor
The National Audubon Society has registered "Audubon" as trademark for a number of goods and services. There is not presently any registration for "Audubon Core". AFAIK, it is not trademark infringement if there is no confusion over the usage. Also, I have the impression that it is impossible to trademark the name of a human except for specific uses. For example, one of NAS's trademark on "Audubon" is for clothing. One would have to look over all their trademarks to see if any of them are for use in the name of data standards.
I suppose that marketing confusion is possible, though I never heard any tales that the city of Dublin, Ohio, ever complained about the Dublin Core, even though that is the referent of "Dublin" in Dublin Core.
I wouldn't be surprised if The National Audubon Society tries to bully small organizations into not using "Audubon" though.
Really, if TDWG wants to grow up about marketing, it would have an IPR lawyer to ask about these matters, since opinions of scientists (including those I express) often have little connection to the actual laws. Or, maybe TDWG does already have such a lawyer to consult.
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Steve Baskauf steve.baskauf@vanderbilt.edu wrote:
Not to throw cold water on a cute idea, but would it be good to consider possible confusion/trademark issues with the National Audubon Society, which is generically known as "Audubon"? Steve
Bob Morris wrote:
Much as I would love to be the convenor of mrmd, I must concede that Audubon Core has way more marketability.
Two issues then arise: 1. An acronym for use in name spaces and communication; 2. the need(?) for a word to replace "core" in describing the most important terms in the proposed standard, and which are the ones we suggest are the minimal set that implementers of consuming software should be prepared to handle gracefully. Audubon Core Core sounds silly and confusing to me.
As to 1., I somewhat favor some form of adbn. Or if we must end it in "c" and can't tolerate adbnc, then maybe adnc (resp. AdnC).
As to 2, I have no suggestion
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Gregor Hagedorn g.m.hagedorn@gmail.com wrote:
Audubon Core.
(and the abbreviation could be AC)
Gregor
-- Steven J. Baskauf, Ph.D., Senior Lecturer Vanderbilt University Dept. of Biological Sciences
postal mail address: VU Station B 351634 Nashville, TN 37235-1634, U.S.A.
delivery address: 2125 Stevenson Center 1161 21st Ave., S. Nashville, TN 37235
office: 2128 Stevenson Center phone: (615) 343-4582, fax: (615) 343-6707 http://bioimages.vanderbilt.edu
All,
National Audubon Soc. may have a trademark on "Audubon" for goods and services, I don't believe their trademark extends to all uses of "Audubon", for instance, I believe anyone can form a such-and-such Audubon Society that is totally unaffiliated with any other Audubon Soc. and wouldn't even need to be conservation oriented.
However, Googles for "Audubon Core" mostly yields hits for various issues relating to national, state, or local chapters of the Audubon Society...
e.g.: Audubon Core values..., Audubon Core mission..., Audubon Core goals..., etc.
Mike Quinn, Austin ________________ Texas Entomology http://texasento.net
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Bob Morris morris.bob@gmail.com wrote:
The National Audubon Society has registered "Audubon" as trademark for a number of goods and services. There is not presently any registration for "Audubon Core". AFAIK, it is not trademark infringement if there is no confusion over the usage. Also, I have the impression that it is impossible to trademark the name of a human except for specific uses. For example, one of NAS's trademark on "Audubon" is for clothing. One would have to look over all their trademarks to see if any of them are for use in the name of data standards.
I suppose that marketing confusion is possible, though I never heard any tales that the city of Dublin, Ohio, ever complained about the Dublin Core, even though that is the referent of "Dublin" in Dublin Core.
I wouldn't be surprised if The National Audubon Society tries to bully small organizations into not using "Audubon" though.
Really, if TDWG wants to grow up about marketing, it would have an IPR lawyer to ask about these matters, since opinions of scientists (including those I express) often have little connection to the actual laws. Or, maybe TDWG does already have such a lawyer to consult.
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Steve Baskauf steve.baskauf@vanderbilt.edu wrote:
Not to throw cold water on a cute idea, but would it be good to consider possible confusion/trademark issues with the National Audubon Society,
which
is generically known as "Audubon"? Steve
Bob Morris wrote:
Much as I would love to be the convenor of mrmd, I must concede that Audubon Core has way more marketability.
Two issues then arise: 1. An acronym for use in name spaces and communication; 2. the need(?) for a word to replace "core" in describing the most important terms in the proposed standard, and which are the ones we suggest are the minimal set that implementers of consuming software should be prepared to handle gracefully. Audubon Core Core sounds silly and confusing to me.
As to 1., I somewhat favor some form of adbn. Or if we must end it in "c" and can't tolerate adbnc, then maybe adnc (resp. AdnC).
As to 2, I have no suggestion
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Gregor Hagedorn <g.m.hagedorn@gmail.com
wrote:
Audubon Core.
(and the abbreviation could be AC)
Gregor
-- Steven J. Baskauf, Ph.D., Senior Lecturer Vanderbilt University Dept. of Biological Sciences
postal mail address: VU Station B 351634 Nashville, TN 37235-1634, U.S.A.
delivery address: 2125 Stevenson Center 1161 21st Ave., S. Nashville, TN 37235
office: 2128 Stevenson Center phone: (615) 343-4582, fax: (615) 343-6707 http://bioimages.vanderbilt.edu
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Absolutely right Steve and for this reason alone we should not entertain this idea. TDWG should convey a feeling of clarity and inviting an opportunity for brand confusion does not help.
As an aside, I don't think naming standards after people or places is a good move, Darwin Core being a case in point. As far as I know Darwin made no contribution to biodiversity or collections information management, the idea was not conceived in Darwin and I've lost count of the number of times people have tripped up on the assonance with Dublin Core. It was a bad move at the time but I think we somehow stuck with it. :)
Jim (who proposed Wallace Core as a working title for an ontology project, to stick it to that glory seeker Darwin and because the abbreviation WC: was somehow descriptive of where things were going)
On Tuesday, November 16, 2010, Steve Baskauf steve.baskauf@vanderbilt.edu wrote:
Not to throw cold water on a cute idea, but would it be good to consider possible confusion/trademark issues with the National Audubon Society, which is generically known as "Audubon"? Steve
Bob Morris wrote:
Much as I would love to be the convenor of mrmd, I must concede that Audubon Core has way more marketability.
Two issues then arise: 1. An acronym for use in name spaces and communication; 2. the need(?) for a word to replace "core" in describing the most important terms in the proposed standard, and which are the ones we suggest are the minimal set that implementers of consuming software should be prepared to handle gracefully. Audubon Core Core sounds silly and confusing to me.
As to 1., I somewhat favor some form of adbn. Or if we must end it in "c" and can't tolerate adbnc, then maybe adnc (resp. AdnC).
As to 2, I have no suggestion
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Gregor Hagedorn g.m.hagedorn@gmail.com g.m.hagedorn@gmail.com wrote:
Audubon Core.(and the abbreviation could be AC)
Gregor
-- Steven J. Baskauf, Ph.D., Senior Lecturer Vanderbilt University Dept. of Biological Sciences
postal mail address: VU Station B 351634 Nashville, TN 37235-1634, U.S.A.
delivery address: 2125 Stevenson Center 1161 21st Ave., S. Nashville, TN 37235
office: 2128 Stevenson Center phone: (615) 343-4582, fax: (615) 343-6707 http://bioimages.vanderbilt.edu
audc (one more letter, but first three of Audubon), can appeal to the quirky (hear "odd"); also remind one of another media resource, "audio;" and get away from the beginning of the alphabet.
Just thoughts Gail
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:44:02 -0500 From: Bob Morris morris.bob@gmail.com Subject: Re: [tdwg-tag] namespaces To: Gregor Hagedorn g.m.hagedorn@gmail.com Cc: gkamp@illinois.edu, José Cuadra (GBIF) jcuadra@gbif.org, Greg Riccardi griccardi@fsu.edu,
Annette L Olson alolson@usgs.gov, "Vishwas Chavan (GBIF)" vchavan@gbif.org, Chris Freeland chris.freeland@mobot.org, tdwg-tag@tdwg.org
Much as I would love to be the convenor of mrmd, I must concede that Audubon Core has way more marketability.
Two issues then arise: 1. An acronym for use in name spaces and communication; 2. the need(?) for a word to replace "core" in describing the most important terms in the proposed standard, and which are the ones we suggest are the minimal set that implementers of consuming software should be prepared to handle gracefully. Audubon Core Core sounds silly and confusing to me.
As to 1., I somewhat favor some form of adbn. Or if we must end it in "c" and can't tolerate adbnc, then maybe adnc (resp. AdnC).
As to 2, I have no suggestion
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Gregor Hagedorn g.m.hagedorn@gmail.com wrote:
Audubon Core.
(and the abbreviation could be AC)
Gregor
-- Robert A. Morris Emeritus Professor of Computer Science UMASS-Boston 100 Morrissey Blvd Boston, MA 02125-3390 Associate, Harvard University Herbaria email: morris.bob@gmail.com web: http://bdei.cs.umb.edu/ web: http://etaxonomy.org/mw/FilteredPush http://www.cs.umb.edu/~ram phone (+1) 857 222 7992 (mobile)
**** Gail E. Kampmeier, Illinois Natural History Survey Institute of Natural Resource Sustainability University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 1816 So. Oak St., Champaign, IL 61820 http://www.inhs.illinois.edu/~gkamp
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