Oh, and why is


<tdwg:parentPublication rdf:resource="doi:10.1007/BF02725185" />

the parent? Am I missing something? The citation in question IS the publication, so it gets the DOI, not it's parent. 

Is the bibliography trying to have a tree, e.g.:  page -> article -> journal

If it is, then *gack*. The potential for confusion is pretty large -- is Richard's metadata about the journal article or a page in the article, and how would I know?

I tried to investigate this further but the Wiki http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki/bin/view/TAG/OntDiscussPublicationCitationPublicationCitation is down.

Regards

Rod


Now if we can't treat DOI/Handle as URIs I guess we could treat them as strings and just use the dc identifier (possibly the worst case scenario - this could be an ISBN, local catalogue code or anything).

<dc:identifier>doi:10.1007/BF02725185</dc:identifier>

I presume support for DOI/Handle would have to be added to any semantic web clients to understand any of these.

Would it be better to take the approach we have with LSIDs where we always cite a proxied version?

What do other people do?

We could add a global property so that any object could have one or hasHandle value.

Any solution other than making Handles behave like regular URIs means non-compliance with W3C recommendations and the need for specialist client software I think.

What do you think? Any ideas?

Roger



On 30 Nov 2007, at 08:10, Roderic Page wrote:

Dear Rich,

Pyle, R.L. 2002. Pomacanthidae. pp. 3266-3286. In: Carpenter, K.E. and V.E.
Niem (Eds.) Living marine resources of the western central Pacific.  Volume
5.  Bony fishes part 3 (Menidae to Pomacentridae). Food and Agriculture
Organization of the United Nations (FAO), Rome. i-iv+2791-3379.

...there are at least three "levels" of publication:

1) Pyle, R.L. 2002. Pomacanthidae. pp. 3266-3286.

2) Carpenter, K.E. and V.E. Niem (Eds.) Living marine resources of the
western central Pacific.  Volume 5.  Bony fishes part 3 (Menidae to
Pomacentridae). Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations
(FAO), Rome. i-iv+2791-3379.

3) Carpenter, K.E. and V.E. Niem (Eds.) FAO species identification guide for
fishery purposes: Living marine resources of the western central Pacific.
Vols. 1-6. Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO),
Rome. xl+4218 pp.

Granted, some might argue that number 3 is not really a separate citable
"unit", but given that it is a single page number series, I would argue that
it is.

So...if we wanted to cite specifically Pyle 2002, the parentCitationString
might simply be the contents of of #2 above; or it might have two nested
parents (a parent, and agrand parent).

As I said before, I'm leaning towards the simpler solution.

Isn't this over engineering things a little? Don't you just need a GUID for the chapter (1), and a GUID for the book (2)? For the latter we have an ISBN (9251043879), so there's already a GUID for that.  I don't think we gain much from (3). Furthermore, if we use the ISBN as the GUID we know the items are linked because they share the same publisher code.


As for the ZooBank LSID resolver -- at this point in time conformance trumps
optimization (so we can all get off our collective arses and serve content)
-- so I'm just woking with what's up there now.  If I'm resolving LSIDs, and
I'm doing so because of TDWG standards, then I ought to conform to existing
TDWG standards on vocabularies -- right or wrong.  What we need to do is
update the TDWG standards on this (which the St. Lousi meeting was
attempting to accomplish), so we can conform *and* optimize!


The TDWG standard should need to be expanded to handle other kinds of GUIDs, notably Handles, which are being widely used in Digital Repositories.

Regards

Rod



Aloha,
Rich




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