Many thanks, Robert! (And thanks also for sending the PDFs).
Besides the email addresses, the external links (to publications and datasets) are DOIs, and within the PDF itself, are represented as clickable links via the HTTP proxy http://dx.doi.org/ -- essentially exactly how I would plan to embed clickable links to LSIDs.
Many thanks again!
Aloha, Rich
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From: tdwg-guid-bounces@lists.tdwg.org [mailto:tdwg-guid-bounces@lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of Robert Huber Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 12:06 AM To: tdwg-guid@lists.tdwg.org Subject: Re: [tdwg-guid] Embedding LSID links within Publications
Dear all,
Maybe this could also help in this discussion: here is an example how data sets are cited in an existing publication: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.palaeo.2007.03.030 http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.palaeo.2007.03.030
best regards, Robert
2007/12/3, Robert Huber rhuber@wdc-mare.org:
Dear all,
The usage of LSIDs and especially citing would be much easier if the usage of metadata would have been more precisely defined. Now, the recommendations allow the TDWGOntology as well as other 'well known vocabularies' = chaos.
We should at least decide on a small set of _obligatory_ metadata elements, for example some dublin core fields? For new taxon names the citation of LSIDs would be much easier, because this metadata could then be placed somewhere in the references section such as Pyle, R, 2007: TaxonXY, ...some other metadata..., TheLSID
best regards, Robert
2007/12/3, Richard Pyle < mailto:deepreef@bishopmuseum.org deepreef@bishopmuseum.org>:
Let's distinguish between the two separate places where there may be LSIDs in the document:
1) Underneath the header for each of the five new species described in the article.
2) Embedded within clicakble links scattered through the introduction, discussion, etc. (what I call "prose"), which are not themselves registered nomenclatural acts; but are simply "links of convenince" to allow someone reading the PDF to simply click on a highlighted word or symbol and be redirected (presumably through a web browser) to some sort of online resource (image, video, SDD document, whatever...)
As for #1, I believe that the LSID should be displayed to the human reader in full, and probably should *also* be a clickable link directly to the ZooBank record for that LSID. Displaying the full LSID here is appropriate, because the publication itself represents the Code-governed creation event behind that LSID. It also does not interrupt the "flow", because there is no
"flow" to the header of a new species account.
As for #2, there is "flow" here, because people are reading a normal paragraph or text. Offsetting a clickable word in blue or underlined or with
some sort of Mouseover highlighting does not interrupt the flow -- but inserting an LSID in parentheses within the text does interrupt the flow of reading.
So....in this context, my current preferred way of displaying it in the formatted PDF is:
1) Show the LSID for the 5 new species names, as part of header for the new species treatment (just like listing a holotype, etc.) The only question here is whether I show only the UUID, or do I show the UUID "wrapped" within
the LSID syntax. In order to help promote LSIDs (in keeping with the TDWG/GBIF agenda at the moment), I'm leaning towards displaying the complete LSID; but perhaps mentioning in the methods that the ZooBank Registration ID
is the UUID, but they are shown formatted with complete LSID resolving syntax.
2) Do not show the LSID for other clickable links within the "prose" of the document, but embed those LSIDs in the (hidden) link URL. I'm still not sure
whether the word/name itself will be the clickable "thing", or whether I'll add some sort of standard symbol analagous to a footnote number that the user would click.
3) Display full URLs in an "Appendix" sort of section, at the end of the rest of the article, so they can be seen via the paper-printed version.
Does this make sense? Or am I stoned...? :-)
Rich
-----Original Message----- From: Paul Kirk [mailto: p.kirk@cabi.org mailto:p.kirk@cabi.org ] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 10:39 PM To: Richard Pyle; Gregor Hagedorn; tdwg-guid@lists.tdwg.org Subject: RE: [tdwg-guid] Embedding LSID links within Publications
But Rich, the prose you refer to are the ... 'this is a really neat fish, just look at the video' discussion rather than the techie ICZN stuff ... Aus bus sp. nov ... LSID, Latin daignosis, holotype etc ... which, at the risk of being stoned (having rocks thrown at me ... ;-) ... I mean) as an heretic, could perhaps be usefully lost in an appendix, and thus disposed would not interrupt the flow.
Paul
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Sent: 01 December 2007 00:48 To: 'Gregor Hagedorn'; tdwg-guid@lists.tdwg.org Subject: RE: [tdwg-guid] Embedding LSID links within Publications
Thanks, Gregor -- this is very helpful, and I pretty much agree.
In short: allow any normal publishing practice, consider it as a special form of reference (like doi or ISBN) and observe the normal publishing practices of citing, especially avoid
redundancies. Rich, I
think you are too much thinking about general rules how to always handle it - but publishing practice for good reasons does
almost the
opposite (once and never again...).
Fair enough....and I'm sure I am over-thinking this. However, I still see problems with your proposed approached, in that I do not want big, cumbersome LSIDs (even once) interrupting the flow of prose.
I think I still favor the idea of a superscript indicator that can be easily ignored, easily clicked, and easily used to refer to a printed (not hidden) set of hyperlinks following the "Literature Cited" section. I think this strikes a resonable compromise/balance between how things are done in the publishing world, and how *I* think things *should* be done in the publishing world....
:-)
Rich
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