Yes, I suspect this should be something more like
"An LSID HTTP proxy is an HTTP endpoint that allows resolution of LSID metadata via HTTP GET"
ie, this could then be done either using 303 redirect, or just an endpoint that returns the LSID metadata directly.
sound ok?
Kevin
-----Original Message----- From: whitbread.greg@gmail.com [mailto:whitbread.greg@gmail.com] On Behalf Of greg whitbread Sent: Thursday, 23 April 2009 1:16 a.m. To: Roger Hyam Cc: Kevin Richards; tdwg-tag@lists.tdwg.org Subject: Re: [tdwg-tag] LSID HTTP Proxy - design question [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Yes. Some of us have believed in the simplicity of an RDF solution since Noel Cross's presentation at TDWG 1999.
Jonathan Rees called for 303 redirection on the lsid proxy discussion in 2007.
So if we are to do this we must update our recommendations and the lsid applicability statement accordingly.
Does anyone disagree?
The current position is "An LSID HTTP proxy is a web service that resolves LSIDs by returning the results of the getMetadata() call via HTTP GET."
greg
2009/4/22 Roger Hyam rogerhyam@mac.com:
I have gone Semantic Web fundamentalist and so any proxy must pass the Linked Data validator that Rod so kindly pointed out.
http://validator.linkeddata.org/vapour
If it does this then the proxied LSIDs can be used in Jena and other SW frameworks seamlessly.
Ideally there should be some simple content negotiation to return a nice web page for humans and RDF for machines.
I don't think a proxy has to service any LSID anyone throws at it. From my point of view the proxy is there to make LSIDs behave as if they were good semantic web URIs. The proxy_string + LSID is a URI to a resource that can be reasoned about. It is therefore best to always use the same proxy for any one LSID. This is what I try to do with BCI. The proxied LSID is effectively another identifier in another technology domain just joined by an owl:sameAs.
It should be possible to just write an Apache rewrite rule to turn the LSID into a a 303 redirect to the URL used for the RDF by the LSID Authority. The linked data stuff is just soooo simple. I love it. Praise Lord TBL.
All the best,
Roger
On 21 Apr 2009, at 23:01, Kevin Richards wrote:
Nicky I have set up a proxy for our Landcare LSIDs and it is just a plain redirect (ie treating the LSID as a string). This was probably mainly because I was experimenting and not implementing a "robust" system. However I don't really see anything wrong with treating the LSID as a string in this case - other parts of DNS and resolution treat various "components" of the resolution process as strings, without assuming any specific protocol etc.
As Rod pointed out though, if you use full LSID resolution on the proxied LSID, then you will be able to resolve any LSID that is passed to the IPNI resolver. I'm not sure this is a good thing though?? ie
should http://zoobank.org:80/?lsid=urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:20012728-1:1.1 return metadata or an error? the proxied URI http://zoobank.org:80/?lsid=urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:20012728-1:1.1 is NOT the sameAs the LSID urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:20012728-1:1.1, so it probably should return an error?? But this sounds counter- productive to me...
I'd say go with whatever is easiest for now.
Kevin
-----Original Message----- From: tdwg-tag-bounces@lists.tdwg.org [mailto:tdwg-tag-bounces@lists.tdwg.org ] On Behalf Of Nicola Nicolson Sent: Wednesday, 22 April 2009 4:41 a.m. To: tdwg-tag@lists.tdwg.org Subject: [tdwg-tag] LSID HTTP Proxy - design question
Hi,
I've been looking into setting up an HTTP proxy for the ipni.org LSIDs. I've read the usage recommendations at http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki/bin/view/GUID/LsidHttpProxyUsageRecommendation but want to ask a question re the design of the proxy itself, ie: Should an HTTP proxy for LSIDs behave as: (1) a webapp that acts as an LSID "client" or (2) a mechanism to issue redirects to the metadata address as specified in the LSID authority WSDL The latter is simple - I can just set up a mod_rewrite rule so that http://lsid.ipni.org/%5Blsid] is redirected to the HTTP URL for the metadata for the specified LSID. This will of course only work for LSIDs for which ipni.org is the authority, but I think that is OK. If the former, I'll need to encode the resolution process: ie parse the LSID, extract the authority, do the DNS lookup, get the WSDL, construct the address etc, BUT it will mean that the HTTP LSID proxy is dependent upon correct functioning of the LSID infrastructure (DNS SRV records, authority WSDL etc). I guess the TDWG LSID proxy behaves this way, but that is to be expected as it can be used as an HTTP proxy for *any* LSID. In summary option (1) treats the proxied LSID as *an LSID*, the other really just treats it as a character string. Which is preferred? cheers, Nicky
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