Great stuff Rod.

Roger



Roderic Page wrote:
OK, I've grabbed lsidres.org, so to resolve a LSID straight to  
metadata, stick http://lsidres.org in front of the LSID, e.g.:

urn:lsid:lsid.zoology.gla.ac.uk:predicates:objectiveSynonym

becomes

http://lsidres.org/urn:lsid:lsid.zoology.gla.ac.uk:predicates: 
objectiveSynonym

and

urn:lsid:ubio.org:namebank:2735664

becomes

http://lsidres.org/urn:lsid:ubio.org:namebank:2735664

So now, it's as easy as DOIs...

Regards

Rod


On 15 Jun 2006, at 11:56, Roderic Page wrote:

  
Dear Kevin,

The reasons against doing what you suggest (which I agree works in most
cases) are:

1. An LSID with authority example.org need not be handled by
example.org.  For example, ipni.org resolves to
http://beta.ipni.org:9090

2. You're assuming that we're all going to use port 80, whereas some
may serve metadata and data over a different port (e.g., IPNI use
9090).

3. I feel having a standard prefix before the LSID that remains the
same makes it easier for people to remember (i.e., we don't have to
think, "gee, so what bit of the LSID to I extract, and what was that
mumbo jumbo I stick on the end?"). Probably we should make it even
simpler by grabbing a short domain name to make it even easier.
Remember, DOIs make it simple - just tack the DOI onto the end of
http://dx.doi.org, and it's resolved.

Regards

Rod







On 15 Jun 2006, at 10:32, Kevin Richards wrote:

    
The theory is that most lsid resolvers/authorities will implement the
http get protocol for resolving lsids.
This means that:

http://example.org/authority/?lsid=urn:lsid.... will return the wsdl
equivalent to the getAvailableServices SOAP call

http://example.org/authority/data/?lsid=urn:lsid... will return the
data
for that lsid

http://example.org/authority/metadata/?lsid=urn:lsid... will return  
the
metadata for that lsid

so why not just use these urls if you want to use urls?

Kevin

      
Roderic Page <r.page@bio.gla.ac.uk> 06/15/06 10:13 AM >>>
            
Dear Steve,

It's written in PHP, and is basically a cleaner version of the LSID
test.  I developed it on my iBook running Apache and PHP 4.3.10, and
deployed it on Fedora Core 4 with PHP 5. I've not tested it on  
Windows,

the issue would be whether the Net:DNS module I use to do the
resolution also works on Windows (who in their right mind uses Windows
as a server ;-)

Yep, the error reporting is bad, but I could work on this. It tries to
trap some errors and report them in XML, but I put it together when I
should have been listening to the talks at GUID2, so it's a bit rough
and ready.

Having a HTTP GET service sounds like a good idea, if it helps people
play with this stuff. Maybe it could be as simple as a convention that
if the "LSID" lacks a namespace and id (i.e., is just the authority)
the service returns metadata about the authority. For data, perhaps  
the

prefix "data" could be inserted before the LSID, rather like a lot of
static URLs have the format of the data embedded in them, such as
http://www.connotea.org/rss/recent/user/rdmpage?q=Formicidae (an RSS
feed).

Not elegant, but simple.

Regards

Rod


On 14 Jun 2006, at 17:07, Steven Perry wrote:

      
Hi Rod,

This is pretty cool.  What language is it in?  What kind of server
does it require (application server, apache, etc.)?
When I tried to put in an LSID that I knew didn't exist, I got an XML
        
parsing error.  No worries, since this is an early prototype, but I
was wondering if you're planning on trapping these kinds of errors  
and
        
returning an HTTP status code like 204 (NO_CONTENT), 404 (NOT_FOUND),
        
or 410 (GONE), or if you had something else in mind.

I've also been thinking about an HTTP-GET based LSID resolution
gateway that might be exposed as a service.  It could support several
        
additional functions besides (the default) getMetadata():

getAuthorityInfo :: given an LSID, return information (in RDF) about
the authority extracted from the authority metadata
getData:: might work a bit differently from the spec in that it  
always
        
sends through HTTP and it tries to set the correct mime type.

However getMetadata is the critical function and these others may  
not,
        
upon more reflection, make much sense.

Given that we want to be able to integrate with existing semantic web
        
apps and tools that can't currently understand the LSID resolution
process, I think we'll come to depend upon these kinds of services.
They also provide convenience to developers who are working with
languages that don't yet have a resolution client API.  It might be
nice to work out how such a service ought to behave and present it to
        
TAG.

-Steve


Roderic Page wrote:
        
It was good to see everybody who made it to sunny Edinburgh over the
          
weekend.

I've put together a very simple LSID resolver that returns RDF
metadata  for a LSID. I wanted something very simple, so all you do
is stick your  LSID on the end of http://lsid.zoology.gla.ac.uk/,
e.g.

http://lsid.zoology.gla.ac.uk/urn:lsid:ubio.org:namebank:2735664

http://lsid.zoology.gla.ac.uk/urn:lsid:lsid.zoology.gla.ac.uk:
predicate:isBasionymOf

It's far from bullet proof, and not as pretty as other resolvers.
However, it means you see the RDF straight away, and if you wanted  
to
          
 aggregate the RDF for a LSID you could use this to do the  
resolution
          
 for you.

Regards

Rod



          
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