Hi Rich
I think, there are two issues. There are two versions of the publications, the underlying xml and the pdf/hard copy.
1. What we need is an xml version of the document which includes all the lsids, etc. For a name, that would look like
tax:name <tax:xid source="HNS" identifier="141015"/> tax:xmldata dc:GenusFormica</dc:Genus> dc:Speciesrubra</dc:Species> </tax:xmldata>rubra</tax:name> tax:statusnov. spec.</tax:status>
Replace HNS with LSID, or ZooBank, etc.
This needs to be the original document.
2. Then you need an XSLT which transforms it into whathever style and layout you want, such as pdf, or what journal style it has to be.
3. Whether you want to expose the lsid, make it clickable is then up to you, and need be discussed on an individual base. In most cases it would be enough to be able to click on a name and get back the data the LSID resolver delivers - which is what you have to decide at Zoobank. This allows also displaying documents in various ways, such as generic html with links, the original pdf, xml, etc.
If we are serious about access to the content of publications, we need focus on the xml version rather then pdf.
Donat
-----Original Message----- From: tdwg-guid-bounces@lists.tdwg.org [mailto:tdwg-guid-bounces@lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of Richard Pyle Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 9:52 AM To: 'Paul Kirk'; 'Gregor Hagedorn'; tdwg-guid@lists.tdwg.org Subject: RE: [tdwg-guid] Embedding LSID links within Publications
Let's distinguish between the two separate places where there may be LSIDs in the document:
1) Underneath the header for each of the five new species described in the article.
2) Embedded within clicakble links scattered through the introduction, discussion, etc. (what I call "prose"), which are not themselves registered nomenclatural acts; but are simply "links of convenince" to allow someone reading the PDF to simply click on a highlighted word or symbol and be redirected (presumably through a web browser) to some sort of online resource (image, video, SDD document, whatever...)
As for #1, I believe that the LSID should be displayed to the human reader in full, and probably should *also* be a clickable link directly to the ZooBank record for that LSID. Displaying the full LSID here is appropriate, because the publication itself represents the Code-governed creation event behind that LSID. It also does not interrupt the "flow", because there is no "flow" to the header of a new species account.
As for #2, there is "flow" here, because people are reading a normal paragraph or text. Offsetting a clickable word in blue or underlined or with some sort of Mouseover highlighting does not interrupt the flow -- but inserting an LSID in parentheses within the text does interrupt the flow of reading.
So....in this context, my current preferred way of displaying it in the formatted PDF is:
1) Show the LSID for the 5 new species names, as part of header for the new species treatment (just like listing a holotype, etc.) The only question here is whether I show only the UUID, or do I show the UUID "wrapped" within the LSID syntax. In order to help promote LSIDs (in keeping with the TDWG/GBIF agenda at the moment), I'm leaning towards displaying the complete LSID; but perhaps mentioning in the methods that the ZooBank Registration ID is the UUID, but they are shown formatted with complete LSID resolving syntax.
2) Do not show the LSID for other clickable links within the "prose" of the document, but embed those LSIDs in the (hidden) link URL. I'm still not sure whether the word/name itself will be the clickable "thing", or whether I'll add some sort of standard symbol analagous to a footnote number that the user would click.
3) Display full URLs in an "Appendix" sort of section, at the end of the rest of the article, so they can be seen via the paper-printed version.
Does this make sense? Or am I stoned...? :-)
Rich
-----Original Message----- From: Paul Kirk [mailto:p.kirk@cabi.org] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 10:39 PM To: Richard Pyle; Gregor Hagedorn; tdwg-guid@lists.tdwg.org Subject: RE: [tdwg-guid] Embedding LSID links within Publications
But Rich, the prose you refer to are the ... 'this is a really neat fish, just look at the video' discussion rather than the techie ICZN stuff ... Aus bus sp. nov ... LSID, Latin daignosis, holotype etc ... which, at the risk of being stoned (having rocks thrown at me ... ;-) ... I mean) as an heretic, could perhaps be usefully lost in an appendix, and thus disposed would not interrupt the flow.
Paul
-----Original Message----- From: tdwg-guid-bounces@lists.tdwg.org [mailto:tdwg-guid-bounces@lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of Richard Pyle Sent: 01 December 2007 00:48 To: 'Gregor Hagedorn'; tdwg-guid@lists.tdwg.org Subject: RE: [tdwg-guid] Embedding LSID links within Publications
Thanks, Gregor -- this is very helpful, and I pretty much agree.
In short: allow any normal publishing practice, consider it as a special form of reference (like doi or ISBN) and observe the normal publishing practices of citing, especially avoid
redundancies. Rich, I
think you are too much thinking about general rules how to always handle it - but publishing practice for good reasons does
almost the
opposite (once and never again...).
Fair enough....and I'm sure I am over-thinking this. However, I still see problems with your proposed approached, in that I do not want big, cumbersome LSIDs (even once) interrupting the flow of prose.
I think I still favor the idea of a superscript indicator that can be easily ignored, easily clicked, and easily used to refer to a printed (not hidden) set of hyperlinks following the "Literature Cited" section. I think this strikes a resonable compromise/balance between how things are done in the publishing world, and how *I* think things *should* be done in the publishing world....
:-)
Rich
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