Thanks for the suggestions. I think the rdf:Description ... rdf:label ... method says exactly what I want to say (with regards to my first question).
My second question was about the use of XML in general but was not related to RDF, so issues of translating from RDF/XML to triples don't apply. It is true that I could model what I want in RDF, but what I really want to know is whether it is "legal" to "piggyback" (for my own use) information in an attribute if I'm trying to follow somebody else's XML schema that doesn't specifically mention that attribute. In other words, if someone has established an XML schema (not RDF) intended for the standardized transfer of metadata, can I include literals as the element contents (as intended by the schema), but also include a URI as an attribute (not mentioned in the schema). The attribute name wouldn't have to be rdf:resource, but could be anything I made up. I just used rdf:resource in the example because it seemed to describe what the URI was, and I think that is why the issue of RDF got injected into that question.
Steve
Roderic Page wrote:
I think part of the problem here results from trying to satisfy modelling the data and having something that is easy to read (i.e., having both a URI and a literal for the same tag). The result is messy and inconsistent.
I think Peter Ansell's first option is a good RDF solution, namely:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/639486/tdwg/1.xml
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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#" xmlns:rdfs="http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#" xmlns:dwc="http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/%22%3E
<!-- occurrence --> <rdf:Description rdf:about="http://herbarium.org/hb123456"> <dwc:recordedBy rdf:resource="http://people.vanderbilt.edu/~steve.baskauf/foaf.rdf#me"/> </rdf:Description>
<!-- person --> <rdf:Description rdf:about="http://people.vanderbilt.edu/~steve.baskauf/foaf.rdf#me"> rdfs:labelSteve Baskauf</rdfs:label> </rdf:Description>
</rdf:RDF>
This document says:
OCCURRENCE http://herbarium.org/hb123456 --> recorded by --> PERSON <http://people.vanderbilt.edu/~steve.baskauf/foaf.rdf#me
--> who has name --> "Steve Baskauf"
which I assume is what we want. You can see this graph in the W3C RDF validator here http://tinyurl.com/39nqho2
The RDF has all the information a linked data client needs in order to say this, and we could also write a XSLT style sheet to render this in HTML for people to read.
Adding dwc:recordedBySteve Baskauf</dwc:recordedBy is a hack that breaks the model.
Note also that if the person doesn't have a URI we still shouldn't use dwc:recordedBy as a literal. Instead we can do this:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/639486/tdwg/2.xml
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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#" xmlns:rdfs="http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#" xmlns:dwc="http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/%22%3E
<!-- occurrence --> <rdf:Description rdf:about="http://herbarium.org/hb123456"> <!-- person --> <dwc:recordedBy rdf:parseType="Resource"> <rdfs:label>Steve Baskauf</rdfs:label> </dwc:recordedBy> </rdf:Description></rdf:RDF>
Here we are saying that the occurrence was recorded by a person called Steve Baskauf. If you paste this into the W3C validator you get the same model
OCCURRENCE http://herbarium.org/hb123456 --> recorded by --> PERSON <xxx> --> who has name --> "Steve Baskauf"
Since "Steve Baskauf" in this example doesn't have a URI we get a "bnode" with a local identifier. See http://tinyurl.com/392qzb3 .
In both cases (person with or without a URI) we are saying the same thing. If you want a literal for dwc:recordedBy (say for ease of display) then I think you want a different tag that is expressly defined to do just that. For example, http://rs.tdwg.org/ontology/voc/TaxonOccurrence has <identifiedTo> to point to a URI for a taxon, and <identifiedToString> if you want the literal. I don't know if dwc has anything equivalent for recordedBy (and can somebody please tell me why we now have so many vocabularies for the same things?)
Personally I think that starting with XML and trying to generate RDF and HTML from that is going to lead to a world of hurt. I suspect it makes more sense to:
a) model what we want to say b) say it in RDF c) write a XSLT to convert it to HTML for humans
Regards
Rod
On 20 May 2010, at 06:35, Bob Morris wrote:
Per my discussion in answer to the original problem, I think what you are tripping on is that the way you want to do this effectively trying to make a triple with two objects. I believe it is not really a modeling question, but rather a question of how RDF/XML is translated into triples.
Bob Morris
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Steve Baskauf steve.baskauf@vanderbilt.edu wrote:
This recent discussion reminds me of a question that I have been wondering about for several months and hadn't gotten around to bringing up: can you have a Darwin Core XML representation where an element has a literal value and an attribute? If the XML is RDF, then I think the answer is pretty much "no" as I just found out with the W3C Validator. However, in generic XML I don't think there is any rule that says that one can't have any attribute that one wants. The only guidance I know of on the subject is: http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/guides/xml/index.htm#implement It states that the value of a Darwin Core property should be the content of the element rather than stating the value as an attribute. However, I have the situation where I want to store or transfer two somewhat equivalent representations of the value of a property: a string literal form and a URI form. In the example we've been talking about, I would like my generic (non-RDF) XML to do something like this:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<dwr:SimpleDarwinRecordSet xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#" xmlns:dwc="http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/" xmlns:dwr="http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/xsd/simpledarwincore/ " > dwr:SimpleDarwinRecord dwc:occurrenceID rdf:resource="http://herbarium.org/hb123456"http://herbarium.org/hb123456 </dwc:occurrenceID> <dwc:recordedBy rdf:resource="http://people.vanderbilt.edu/~steve.baskauf/ foaf.rdf#me">Steve Baskauf</dwc:recordedBy> <dwc:basisOfRecord rdf:resource="http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/dwctype/ PreservedSpecimen">PreservedSpecimen</dwc:basisOfRecord> ... more elements, mostly with string literal values... </dwr:SimpleDarwinRecord> </dwr:SimpleDarwinRecordSet>
This would meet the basic guidelines of the Darwin Core XML Guide in that the literal values would be the contents of the elements. What I don't know is if the inclusion of the rdf:resource attributes would invalidate the XML if it were validated against someone's schema that was silent about attributes or if the schema would have to explicitly say that having an rdf:resource attribute was a valid option. I think I don't know enough about XML schemas ...
The reason why I would like to maintain/transfer both types of values (literal and URI) is so that I could use the XML data to generate both HTML and RDF if I wanted. The HTML would tell humans that the occurrence was a PreservedSpecimen, but the RDF would tell a linked data client that the occurrence was a http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/dwctype/PreservedSpecimen . I realize that for my own internal use, the XML can have any format I want, but if I were exporting XML for general public use, would it be bad to use the approach above?
Steve
As an aside, I wanted to see exactly what the definition was for rdf:resource However, the usual namespace for rdf: (http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#) doesn't seem to include "resource" in the defined properties. Very odd! Maybe I'm just missing something...
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