How to fill in targetTaxonomicScope and targetLifeStageScope for targeted taxa with different life stage from the same event?
Hi all
I am working on the dataset from Antarctic OBIS for the Humboldt Documentation. I encounter an issue: For all of the events (at that location, depth, with the sampling protocol and effort), the scientists were targeting:
- myctophids - all life stages - paralepidids - larvae and juvenile
How can I fill in the “targetTaxonomicScope" and “targetLifeStageScope" for each sampling event? Thanks a lot!!
Bests Ming
PS: Yani, I hope you are recovering well! Take care!
One easy way would be to make two sampling events that are distinguished by their targets but otherwise having all the same characteristics.
On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 12:42 PM Yi Ming Gan ymgan@naturalsciences.be wrote:
Hi all
I am working on the dataset from Antarctic OBIS for the Humboldt Documentation. I encounter an issue: For all of the events (at that location, depth, with the sampling protocol and effort), the scientists were targeting:
- myctophids - all life stages
- paralepidids - larvae and juvenile
How can I fill in the “targetTaxonomicScope" and “targetLifeStageScope" for each sampling event? Thanks a lot!!
Bests Ming
PS: Yani, I hope you are recovering well! Take care! _______________________________________________ tdwg-humboldt mailing list tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-humboldt
Oh apologies, perhaps I was not clear about it. It was supposed to be 1 single trawl that target both myctophids and paralpidids together with the same net at the same place, same time, same depth. They were studying fish aggregations.
The description of Sampling Event core says "The category of information pertaining to an action that occurs at some location during some time." I feel that it could be a little misleading making this into multiple sampling events ...
________________________________ From: tdwg-humboldt tdwg-humboldt-bounces@lists.tdwg.org on behalf of John Wieczorek tuco@berkeley.edu Sent: 20 May 2022 19:14 To: Humboldt Core TG tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org Subject: Re: [tdwg-humboldt] How to fill in targetTaxonomicScope and targetLifeStageScope for targeted taxa with different life stage from the same event?
One easy way would be to make two sampling events that are distinguished by their targets but otherwise having all the same characteristics.
On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 12:42 PM Yi Ming Gan <ymgan@naturalsciences.bemailto:ymgan@naturalsciences.be> wrote: Hi all
I am working on the dataset from Antarctic OBIS for the Humboldt Documentation. I encounter an issue: For all of the events (at that location, depth, with the sampling protocol and effort), the scientists were targeting:
- myctophids - all life stages - paralepidids - larvae and juvenile
How can I fill in the “targetTaxonomicScope" and “targetLifeStageScope" for each sampling event? Thanks a lot!!
Bests Ming
PS: Yani, I hope you are recovering well! Take care! _______________________________________________ tdwg-humboldt mailing list tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.orgmailto:tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-humboldthttps://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.tdwg.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ftdwg-humboldt&data=05%7C01%7Cymgan%40naturalsciences.be%7C47e59c5ff9c842abe61108da3a84365b%7C4da8d35db472419c9e15665786aadbfb%7C1%7C0%7C637886636928502094%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ajAn6y7iWJUuxh8A47VfXkAgSlkaFsLg6cM3ykAkrOI%3D&reserved=0
True, but a protocol could also be a distinguishing feature of an Event. If the protocol is just the trawl this would still be problematic, but if there is a difference in protocols with respect to the taxonomic scopes, that could be sufficient to separate them. If this still doesn't feel right, the alternative (targetTaxonomicScope:"Myctophidae | Paralepididae", targetLifeStageScope:"all | larvae and juvenile" ) is not terribly satisfying either, because it doesn't explicitly bind the combinations across the two terms. To try to overcome this shortcoming, one could add an explanation in dwc:samplingProtocol or dwc:eventRemarks.
On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 3:03 PM Yi Ming Gan ymgan@naturalsciences.be wrote:
Oh apologies, perhaps I was not clear about it. It was supposed to be 1 single trawl that target both myctophids and paralpidids together with the same net at the same place, same time, same depth. They were studying fish aggregations.
The description of Sampling Event core says "The category of information pertaining to *an action* that occurs at some location during some time." I feel that it could be a little misleading making this into multiple sampling events ...
*From:* tdwg-humboldt tdwg-humboldt-bounces@lists.tdwg.org on behalf of John Wieczorek tuco@berkeley.edu *Sent:* 20 May 2022 19:14 *To:* Humboldt Core TG tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org *Subject:* Re: [tdwg-humboldt] How to fill in targetTaxonomicScope and targetLifeStageScope for targeted taxa with different life stage from the same event?
One easy way would be to make two sampling events that are distinguished by their targets but otherwise having all the same characteristics.
On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 12:42 PM Yi Ming Gan ymgan@naturalsciences.be wrote:
Hi all
I am working on the dataset from Antarctic OBIS for the Humboldt Documentation. I encounter an issue: For all of the events (at that location, depth, with the sampling protocol and effort), the scientists were targeting:
- myctophids - all life stages
- paralepidids - larvae and juvenile
How can I fill in the “targetTaxonomicScope" and “targetLifeStageScope" for each sampling event? Thanks a lot!!
Bests Ming
PS: Yani, I hope you are recovering well! Take care! _______________________________________________ tdwg-humboldt mailing list tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-humboldt https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.tdwg.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ftdwg-humboldt&data=05%7C01%7Cymgan%40naturalsciences.be%7C47e59c5ff9c842abe61108da3a84365b%7C4da8d35db472419c9e15665786aadbfb%7C1%7C0%7C637886636928502094%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ajAn6y7iWJUuxh8A47VfXkAgSlkaFsLg6cM3ykAkrOI%3D&reserved=0
Okie! Will do as you suggested! Thank you so much John, that was really helpful! Have a nice weekend!
Cheers Ming ________________________________ From: John Wieczorek tuco@berkeley.edu Sent: 20 May 2022 20:40 To: Yi Ming Gan ymgan@naturalsciences.be Cc: Humboldt Core TG tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org Subject: Re: [tdwg-humboldt] How to fill in targetTaxonomicScope and targetLifeStageScope for targeted taxa with different life stage from the same event?
True, but a protocol could also be a distinguishing feature of an Event. If the protocol is just the trawl this would still be problematic, but if there is a difference in protocols with respect to the taxonomic scopes, that could be sufficient to separate them. If this still doesn't feel right, the alternative (targetTaxonomicScope:"Myctophidae | Paralepididae", targetLifeStageScope:"all | larvae and juvenile" ) is not terribly satisfying either, because it doesn't explicitly bind the combinations across the two terms. To try to overcome this shortcoming, one could add an explanation in dwc:samplingProtocol or dwc:eventRemarks.
On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 3:03 PM Yi Ming Gan <ymgan@naturalsciences.bemailto:ymgan@naturalsciences.be> wrote: Oh apologies, perhaps I was not clear about it. It was supposed to be 1 single trawl that target both myctophids and paralpidids together with the same net at the same place, same time, same depth. They were studying fish aggregations.
The description of Sampling Event core says "The category of information pertaining to an action that occurs at some location during some time." I feel that it could be a little misleading making this into multiple sampling events ...
________________________________ From: tdwg-humboldt <tdwg-humboldt-bounces@lists.tdwg.orgmailto:tdwg-humboldt-bounces@lists.tdwg.org> on behalf of John Wieczorek <tuco@berkeley.edumailto:tuco@berkeley.edu> Sent: 20 May 2022 19:14 To: Humboldt Core TG <tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.orgmailto:tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org> Subject: Re: [tdwg-humboldt] How to fill in targetTaxonomicScope and targetLifeStageScope for targeted taxa with different life stage from the same event?
One easy way would be to make two sampling events that are distinguished by their targets but otherwise having all the same characteristics.
On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 12:42 PM Yi Ming Gan <ymgan@naturalsciences.bemailto:ymgan@naturalsciences.be> wrote: Hi all
I am working on the dataset from Antarctic OBIS for the Humboldt Documentation. I encounter an issue: For all of the events (at that location, depth, with the sampling protocol and effort), the scientists were targeting:
- myctophids - all life stages - paralepidids - larvae and juvenile
How can I fill in the “targetTaxonomicScope" and “targetLifeStageScope" for each sampling event? Thanks a lot!!
Bests Ming
PS: Yani, I hope you are recovering well! Take care! _______________________________________________ tdwg-humboldt mailing list tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.orgmailto:tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-humboldthttps://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.tdwg.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ftdwg-humboldt&data=05%7C01%7Cymgan%40naturalsciences.be%7Cb3d14584850a43ae3e7208da3a9040f5%7C4da8d35db472419c9e15665786aadbfb%7C1%7C0%7C637886688486999992%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=JqavgB3sacUgz3u26jW7Ws%2FjB0snDgI%2FT9x%2Bmgh1hyw%3D&reserved=0
:-) You too.
On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 3:49 PM Yi Ming Gan ymgan@naturalsciences.be wrote:
Okie! Will do as you suggested! Thank you so much John, that was really helpful! Have a nice weekend!
Cheers Ming
*From:* John Wieczorek tuco@berkeley.edu *Sent:* 20 May 2022 20:40 *To:* Yi Ming Gan ymgan@naturalsciences.be *Cc:* Humboldt Core TG tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org *Subject:* Re: [tdwg-humboldt] How to fill in targetTaxonomicScope and targetLifeStageScope for targeted taxa with different life stage from the same event?
True, but a protocol could also be a distinguishing feature of an Event. If the protocol is just the trawl this would still be problematic, but if there is a difference in protocols with respect to the taxonomic scopes, that could be sufficient to separate them. If this still doesn't feel right, the alternative (targetTaxonomicScope:"Myctophidae | Paralepididae", targetLifeStageScope:"all | larvae and juvenile" ) is not terribly satisfying either, because it doesn't explicitly bind the combinations across the two terms. To try to overcome this shortcoming, one could add an explanation in dwc:samplingProtocol or dwc:eventRemarks.
On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 3:03 PM Yi Ming Gan ymgan@naturalsciences.be wrote:
Oh apologies, perhaps I was not clear about it. It was supposed to be 1 single trawl that target both myctophids and paralpidids together with the same net at the same place, same time, same depth. They were studying fish aggregations.
The description of Sampling Event core says "The category of information pertaining to *an action* that occurs at some location during some time." I feel that it could be a little misleading making this into multiple sampling events ...
*From:* tdwg-humboldt tdwg-humboldt-bounces@lists.tdwg.org on behalf of John Wieczorek tuco@berkeley.edu *Sent:* 20 May 2022 19:14 *To:* Humboldt Core TG tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org *Subject:* Re: [tdwg-humboldt] How to fill in targetTaxonomicScope and targetLifeStageScope for targeted taxa with different life stage from the same event?
One easy way would be to make two sampling events that are distinguished by their targets but otherwise having all the same characteristics.
On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 12:42 PM Yi Ming Gan ymgan@naturalsciences.be wrote:
Hi all
I am working on the dataset from Antarctic OBIS for the Humboldt Documentation. I encounter an issue: For all of the events (at that location, depth, with the sampling protocol and effort), the scientists were targeting:
- myctophids - all life stages
- paralepidids - larvae and juvenile
How can I fill in the “targetTaxonomicScope" and “targetLifeStageScope" for each sampling event? Thanks a lot!!
Bests Ming
PS: Yani, I hope you are recovering well! Take care! _______________________________________________ tdwg-humboldt mailing list tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org http://lists.tdwg.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwg-humboldt https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.tdwg.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ftdwg-humboldt&data=05%7C01%7Cymgan%40naturalsciences.be%7Cb3d14584850a43ae3e7208da3a9040f5%7C4da8d35db472419c9e15665786aadbfb%7C1%7C0%7C637886688486999992%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=JqavgB3sacUgz3u26jW7Ws%2FjB0snDgI%2FT9x%2Bmgh1hyw%3D&reserved=0
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