Hi all,
Thanks for a very productive meeting. It seems we are reaching an agreement on the Hierarchical Events document. You can find the document herehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1r_XMEgB7p7OI7a5Ouq6G9oa7LmQFPcFhZZCLD9gWOIE/edit.
As a group, we managed to discuss until point 4 in section 3 Usage guidelines (normative). Ani and Wesley will make some editorial edits to the current document and next week we will keep discussing the points.
I did a first pass through all eco:terms and classified them as a 'design' or 'result' property. I also added the categories of terms. Please take a look and share your thoughts herehttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AbUUKDkgilbtHu9Dh_5V2dnOeQNbKBcRo4d7VEDyqOg/edit#gid=675481326 (tab:design/result properties).
We kept a previous version of the document herehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1jMo-LgtWZ2gLoMFfKUrN4qJ3cFRCk_3K7afQxnfmlFw/edit#heading=h.fmsm2z120oxj, so we do not lose track of all the comments we added previous to this major refactoring of the document. Please do not modify this version.
Thank you all for your feedback on this!
Cheers Yani
[https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/docs/ADP-6oEtWUXUIuMI5Z6w0cZvpCDq7DqsWunp7...]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AbUUKDkgilbtHu9Dh_5V2dnOeQNbKBcRo4d7VEDyqOg/edit#gid=675481326 term_versions_march2023https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AbUUKDkgilbtHu9Dh_5V2dnOeQNbKBcRo4d7VEDyqOg/edit#gid=675481326 complete_term_list_ACTIVE iri,term_localName,label,definition,comments,examples,organized_in,issued,status,replaces,rdf_type,term_iri,abcd_equivalence,flags <a href="http://rs.tdwg.org/hc/terms/version/samplingPerformedBy-2022-03-02">http://rs.tdwg.org/eco/terms/version/samplingPerformedBy-2023-... docs.google.com
[https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/docs/ADP-6oGsyvXFNq2xnaQYQ2ESIJdVy6H6QjOGH9-gfEy8K0znfF3u0JjgHtTb6AVecHmEUogtcwIvoQ0aQ5l97cNqLasTdVxAIWrfoFGE9tVzdRsi=w1200-h630-p]<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r_XMEgB7p7OI7a5Ouq6G9oa7LmQFPcFhZZCLD9gWOIE/edit> Hierarchical Events in Humboldt Extension for ecological inventories<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r_XMEgB7p7OI7a5Ouq6G9oa7LmQFPcFhZZCLD9gWOIE/edit> Properties of hierarchical Events in Humboldt Extension for ecological inventories Title: Properties of hierarchical Events in Humboldt Extension for ecological inventories Date version issued: 2023-xx-xx Date created: 2023-xx-xx Part of TDWG Standard: http://www.tdwg.org/standards/450 This ... docs.google.com
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HI Yani and all,
We had a quick who-is-submitting what exchange at GBIF S staff meeting and we realize that we don't know if someone will present - remotely or in person - the HC work done so far. Was it discussed a few calls ago? From GBIF S, there will be Matt, Tobias and me in-person, maybe Joe in Hobart. Tobias and me will be focusing on the DNA derived data and possibly digital twins. DL is Saturday, and maybe a short talk-securing abstract can be stitched from the existing paragraphs? In standards work, it's tricky to know what, how, where, when, and how much to present, but I am growing to like early exposure of the work in progress.
BR Dmitry
Hi Dmitry and all, Thanks for reminding us the deadline for TDWG 2023. Unfortunately, I will not be able to attend this year. I am not even sure I will be able to attend online because it overlaps completely with another conference I am attending. However, I think we should definitely present something and share the progress of our task group!
Sevel people from the group will be attending TDWG so let’s discuss tomorrow if someone would like to present. I am more than happy to help with the abstract (as you pointed out we could reuse a lot of material).
Tomorrow we will also discuss the ‘reloaded’ hierarchical document!
See you soon! Yani
Yanina V. Sica, PhD Lead Data Team Map of Lifehttps://mol.org/ | Center for Biodiversity and Global Changehttps://bgc.yale.edu/ Yale University pronouns: she/her/hers If you are receiving this email outside of your working hours, I am not expecting you to read or respond ________________________________ From: tdwg-humboldt tdwg-humboldt-bounces@lists.tdwg.org on behalf of Dmitry Schigel dschigel@gbif.org Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 3:10:58 PM To: Humboldt Core TG tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org Subject: [tdwg-humboldt] TDWG 2023
HI Yani and all,
We had a quick who-is-submitting what exchange at GBIF S staff meeting and we realize that we don’t know if someone will present – remotely or in person – the HC work done so far. Was it discussed a few calls ago? From GBIF S, there will be Matt, Tobias and me in-person, maybe Joe in Hobart. Tobias and me will be focusing on the DNA derived data and possibly digital twins. DL is Saturday, and maybe a short talk-securing abstract can be stitched from the existing paragraphs?
In standards work, it’s tricky to know what, how, where, when, and how much to present, but I am growing to like early exposure of the work in progress.
BR
Dmitry
Hi group,
This message thread makes me wonder about a more general question. Is there a general consensus about more or less when the Extension will be submitted for public review? My feeling is that it is fairly close. If so, the entire process and ratification might be completed before the TDWG Meeting. The unknown status around that time presents a challenge for an abstract. Any ideas about strategy?
Cheers,
John
On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 3:23 PM ys628 yanina.sica@yale.edu wrote:
Hi Dmitry and all, Thanks for reminding us the deadline for TDWG 2023. Unfortunately, I will not be able to attend this year. I am not even sure I will be able to attend online because it overlaps completely with another conference I am attending. However, I think we should definitely present something and share the progress of our task group!
Sevel people from the group will be attending TDWG so let’s discuss tomorrow if someone would like to present. I am more than happy to help with the abstract (as you pointed out we could reuse a lot of material).
Tomorrow we will also discuss the ‘reloaded’ hierarchical document!
See you soon! Yani
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*From:* tdwg-humboldt tdwg-humboldt-bounces@lists.tdwg.org on behalf of Dmitry Schigel dschigel@gbif.org *Sent:* Tuesday, June 27, 2023 3:10:58 PM *To:* Humboldt Core TG tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org *Subject:* [tdwg-humboldt] TDWG 2023
HI Yani and all,
We had a quick who-is-submitting what exchange at GBIF S staff meeting and we realize that we don’t know if someone will present – remotely or in person – the HC work done so far. Was it discussed a few calls ago? From GBIF S, there will be Matt, Tobias and me in-person, maybe Joe in Hobart. Tobias and me will be focusing on the DNA derived data and possibly digital twins. DL is Saturday, and maybe a short talk-securing abstract can be stitched from the existing paragraphs?
In standards work, it’s tricky to know what, how, where, when, and how much to present, but I am growing to like early exposure of the work in progress.
BR
Dmitry
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Hi John and all,
I, too, asked this question a few dozens of calls ago, and somehow got the impression of “no way it is happening before Hobart” – then I enterer a period of lower involvement with HC, and most of you, on the contrary, did a lot – so if ratification is possible in 2023, even if tight, this is a very good news for GBIF from all possible directions– the data model work that you John know from inside, the subsequent and long overdue engagement with holders of ecology data, for the twins project etc etc.
By Hobart ’23 sound much better than by Okinawa ’24. In GBIF, Kate Ingenloff planned back to work day (after maternity leave) is 24th July. We will then discuss the immediate what-nows, and supporting speedy ratification is something we can consider, among other things – but I need to wait for Kate to come back first.
Personally, I am quite unfamiliar with formal side of TDWG ratifications (apart from marginal involvement in GGBN standard around 2013). Steve, was it you who explained to me that formalize-and-fix-later does not really work with TDWG routines, so HC should be fairly ready to enter the ratification process to avoid painful post-ratification corrections?
This is a very good question, John, and I agree it affects what’s in the abstract. TDWG have had many “we just do it, one day it is done”s, which is natural for the volunteer work, but maybe HC can go legit sooner. I have a minor clash of Zooms tomorrow, but this is getting so exciting, I will do my best to join.
BR, Dmitry
From: tdwg-humboldt tdwg-humboldt-bounces@lists.tdwg.org On Behalf Of John Wieczorek Sent: Tuesday, 27 June, 2023 20:50 To: Humboldt Core TG tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org Subject: Re: [tdwg-humboldt] TDWG 2023
Hi group,
This message thread makes me wonder about a more general question. Is there a general consensus about more or less when the Extension will be submitted for public review? My feeling is that it is fairly close. If so, the entire process and ratification might be completed before the TDWG Meeting. The unknown status around that time presents a challenge for an abstract. Any ideas about strategy?
Cheers,
John
On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 3:23 PM ys628 <yanina.sica@yale.edumailto:yanina.sica@yale.edu> wrote: Hi Dmitry and all, Thanks for reminding us the deadline for TDWG 2023. Unfortunately, I will not be able to attend this year. I am not even sure I will be able to attend online because it overlaps completely with another conference I am attending. However, I think we should definitely present something and share the progress of our task group!
Sevel people from the group will be attending TDWG so let’s discuss tomorrow if someone would like to present. I am more than happy to help with the abstract (as you pointed out we could reuse a lot of material).
Tomorrow we will also discuss the ‘reloaded’ hierarchical document!
See you soon! Yani
Yanina V. Sica, PhD Lead Data Team Map of Lifehttps://mol.org/ | Center for Biodiversity and Global Changehttps://bgc.yale.edu/ Yale University pronouns: she/her/hers If you are receiving this email outside of your working hours, I am not expecting you to read or respond ________________________________ From: tdwg-humboldt <tdwg-humboldt-bounces@lists.tdwg.orgmailto:tdwg-humboldt-bounces@lists.tdwg.org> on behalf of Dmitry Schigel <dschigel@gbif.orgmailto:dschigel@gbif.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 3:10:58 PM To: Humboldt Core TG <tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.orgmailto:tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org> Subject: [tdwg-humboldt] TDWG 2023
HI Yani and all,
We had a quick who-is-submitting what exchange at GBIF S staff meeting and we realize that we don’t know if someone will present – remotely or in person – the HC work done so far. Was it discussed a few calls ago? From GBIF S, there will be Matt, Tobias and me in-person, maybe Joe in Hobart. Tobias and me will be focusing on the DNA derived data and possibly digital twins. DL is Saturday, and maybe a short talk-securing abstract can be stitched from the existing paragraphs?
In standards work, it’s tricky to know what, how, where, when, and how much to present, but I am growing to like early exposure of the work in progress.
BR
Dmitry
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My feeling is that if we can finish the parent/child document we’ve been working on, we should be ready to submit. There is clearly more that could be done, but I think this is enough to establish the vocabulary and the basic event extension as a standard.
The material sample proposal is ahead of us in the queue, but it doesn’t look like that is going to have too much controversy, so my guess is that when it’s first 30 days expires, it will be done. If eco can be submitted soon, I would say we could start on public comment as soon as material sample is done. Optimally that would be ahead of the Latimer Core public comment, but that’s already been pushed off to at least July 15 to ask approval of the Exec, and possibly later than that.
So yes, I think it’s reasonable to try to get it done before Hobart. In which case a presentation would be a “victory lap” rather than a “we are in the late stages” talk (which we already did last year).
Steve
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From: tdwg-humboldt tdwg-humboldt-bounces@lists.tdwg.org on behalf of Dmitry Schigel dschigel@gbif.org Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 3:16 PM To: tuco@berkeley.edu tuco@berkeley.edu, Humboldt Core TG tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org Subject: Re: [tdwg-humboldt] TDWG 2023 Hi John and all,
I, too, asked this question a few dozens of calls ago, and somehow got the impression of “no way it is happening before Hobart” – then I enterer a period of lower involvement with HC, and most of you, on the contrary, did a lot – so if ratification is possible in 2023, even if tight, this is a very good news for GBIF from all possible directions– the data model work that you John know from inside, the subsequent and long overdue engagement with holders of ecology data, for the twins project etc etc.
By Hobart ’23 sound much better than by Okinawa ’24. In GBIF, Kate Ingenloff planned back to work day (after maternity leave) is 24th July. We will then discuss the immediate what-nows, and supporting speedy ratification is something we can consider, among other things – but I need to wait for Kate to come back first.
Personally, I am quite unfamiliar with formal side of TDWG ratifications (apart from marginal involvement in GGBN standard around 2013). Steve, was it you who explained to me that formalize-and-fix-later does not really work with TDWG routines, so HC should be fairly ready to enter the ratification process to avoid painful post-ratification corrections?
This is a very good question, John, and I agree it affects what’s in the abstract. TDWG have had many “we just do it, one day it is done”s, which is natural for the volunteer work, but maybe HC can go legit sooner. I have a minor clash of Zooms tomorrow, but this is getting so exciting, I will do my best to join.
BR, Dmitry
From: tdwg-humboldt tdwg-humboldt-bounces@lists.tdwg.org On Behalf Of John Wieczorek Sent: Tuesday, 27 June, 2023 20:50 To: Humboldt Core TG tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org Subject: Re: [tdwg-humboldt] TDWG 2023
Hi group,
This message thread makes me wonder about a more general question. Is there a general consensus about more or less when the Extension will be submitted for public review? My feeling is that it is fairly close. If so, the entire process and ratification might be completed before the TDWG Meeting. The unknown status around that time presents a challenge for an abstract. Any ideas about strategy?
Cheers,
John
On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 3:23 PM ys628 <yanina.sica@yale.edumailto:yanina.sica@yale.edu> wrote: Hi Dmitry and all, Thanks for reminding us the deadline for TDWG 2023. Unfortunately, I will not be able to attend this year. I am not even sure I will be able to attend online because it overlaps completely with another conference I am attending. However, I think we should definitely present something and share the progress of our task group!
Sevel people from the group will be attending TDWG so let’s discuss tomorrow if someone would like to present. I am more than happy to help with the abstract (as you pointed out we could reuse a lot of material).
Tomorrow we will also discuss the ‘reloaded’ hierarchical document!
See you soon! Yani
Yanina V. Sica, PhD Lead Data Team Map of Lifehttps://mol.org/ | Center for Biodiversity and Global Changehttps://bgc.yale.edu/ Yale University pronouns: she/her/hers If you are receiving this email outside of your working hours, I am not expecting you to read or respond ________________________________ From: tdwg-humboldt <tdwg-humboldt-bounces@lists.tdwg.orgmailto:tdwg-humboldt-bounces@lists.tdwg.org> on behalf of Dmitry Schigel <dschigel@gbif.orgmailto:dschigel@gbif.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 3:10:58 PM To: Humboldt Core TG <tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.orgmailto:tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org> Subject: [tdwg-humboldt] TDWG 2023
HI Yani and all,
We had a quick who-is-submitting what exchange at GBIF S staff meeting and we realize that we don’t know if someone will present – remotely or in person – the HC work done so far. Was it discussed a few calls ago? From GBIF S, there will be Matt, Tobias and me in-person, maybe Joe in Hobart. Tobias and me will be focusing on the DNA derived data and possibly digital twins. DL is Saturday, and maybe a short talk-securing abstract can be stitched from the existing paragraphs?
In standards work, it’s tricky to know what, how, where, when, and how much to present, but I am growing to like early exposure of the work in progress.
BR
Dmitry
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Hi all, Just chiming in to alert you that Steve’s emails ver) often (if not always) end in my spam folder. Steve, you may need to do something on your side. See screenshot.
Note that the issue with the sender doesn’t seem to be an issue with the Humboldt Core mailing list. Most other HC emails regularly go to my inbox.
Regards, Carlos
On Tue 27. Jun 2023 at 22:33, Baskauf, Steven James < steve.baskauf@vanderbilt.edu> wrote:
My feeling is that if we can finish the parent/child document we’ve been working on, we should be ready to submit. There is clearly more that could be done, but I think this is enough to establish the vocabulary and the basic event extension as a standard.
The material sample proposal is ahead of us in the queue, but it doesn’t look like that is going to have too much controversy, so my guess is that when it’s first 30 days expires, it will be done. If eco can be submitted soon, I would say we could start on public comment as soon as material sample is done. Optimally that would be ahead of the Latimer Core public comment, but that’s already been pushed off to at least July 15 to ask approval of the Exec, and possibly later than that.
So yes, I think it’s reasonable to try to get it done before Hobart. In which case a presentation would be a “victory lap” rather than a “we are in the late stages” talk (which we already did last year).
Steve
--
Steven J. Baskauf, Ph.D. he/him/his
Data Science and Data Curation Specialist / Librarian III
Jean & Alexander Heard Libraries, Vanderbilt University
Nashville, TN 37235, USA
Biodiversity Information Standards (TDWG) Executive Committee/Technical Architecture Group Chair
*From: *tdwg-humboldt tdwg-humboldt-bounces@lists.tdwg.org on behalf of Dmitry Schigel dschigel@gbif.org *Date: *Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 3:16 PM *To: *tuco@berkeley.edu tuco@berkeley.edu, Humboldt Core TG < tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org> *Subject: *Re: [tdwg-humboldt] TDWG 2023
Hi John and all,
I, too, asked this question a few dozens of calls ago, and somehow got the impression of “no way it is happening before Hobart” – then I enterer a period of lower involvement with HC, and most of you, on the contrary, did a lot – so if ratification is possible in 2023, even if tight, this is a very good news for GBIF from all possible directions– the data model work that you John know from inside, the subsequent and long overdue engagement with holders of ecology data, for the twins project etc etc.
By Hobart ’23 sound much better than by Okinawa ’24. In GBIF, Kate Ingenloff planned back to work day (after maternity leave) is 24th July. We will then discuss the immediate what-nows, and supporting speedy ratification is something we can consider, among other things – but I need to wait for Kate to come back first.
Personally, I am quite unfamiliar with formal side of TDWG ratifications (apart from marginal involvement in GGBN standard around 2013). Steve, was it you who explained to me that formalize-and-fix-later does not really work with TDWG routines, so HC should be fairly ready to enter the ratification process to avoid painful post-ratification corrections?
This is a very good question, John, and I agree it affects what’s in the abstract. TDWG have had many “we just do it, one day it is done”s, which is natural for the volunteer work, but maybe HC can go legit sooner.
I have a minor clash of Zooms tomorrow, but this is getting so exciting, I will do my best to join.
BR,
Dmitry
*From:* tdwg-humboldt tdwg-humboldt-bounces@lists.tdwg.org *On Behalf Of *John Wieczorek *Sent:* Tuesday, 27 June, 2023 20:50 *To:* Humboldt Core TG tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org *Subject:* Re: [tdwg-humboldt] TDWG 2023
Hi group,
This message thread makes me wonder about a more general question. Is there a general consensus about more or less when the Extension will be submitted for public review? My feeling is that it is fairly close. If so, the entire process and ratification might be completed before the TDWG Meeting. The unknown status around that time presents a challenge for an abstract. Any ideas about strategy?
Cheers,
John
On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 3:23 PM ys628 yanina.sica@yale.edu wrote:
Hi Dmitry and all,
Thanks for reminding us the deadline for TDWG 2023. Unfortunately, I will not be able to attend this year. I am not even sure I will be able to attend online because it overlaps completely with another conference I am attending. However, I think we should definitely present something and share the progress of our task group!
Sevel people from the group will be attending TDWG so let’s discuss tomorrow if someone would like to present. I am more than happy to help with the abstract (as you pointed out we could reuse a lot of material).
Tomorrow we will also discuss the ‘reloaded’ hierarchical document!
See you soon!
Yani
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Lead Data Team
Map of Life | Center for Biodiversity and Global Change
Yale University
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*From:* tdwg-humboldt tdwg-humboldt-bounces@lists.tdwg.org on behalf of Dmitry Schigel dschigel@gbif.org *Sent:* Tuesday, June 27, 2023 3:10:58 PM *To:* Humboldt Core TG tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org *Subject:* [tdwg-humboldt] TDWG 2023
HI Yani and all,
We had a quick who-is-submitting what exchange at GBIF S staff meeting and we realize that we don’t know if someone will present – remotely or in person – the HC work done so far. Was it discussed a few calls ago? From GBIF S, there will be Matt, Tobias and me in-person, maybe Joe in Hobart. Tobias and me will be focusing on the DNA derived data and possibly digital twins. DL is Saturday, and maybe a short talk-securing abstract can be stitched from the existing paragraphs?
In standards work, it’s tricky to know what, how, where, when, and how much to present, but I am growing to like early exposure of the work in progress.
BR
Dmitry
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Hi all,
Just letting you know that I am out of town on vacation so I won't be able to attend our meetings for the next two weeks.
Thanks, Zach
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 1:55 AM Myriatrix Admin archilegt@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all, Just chiming in to alert you that Steve’s emails ver) often (if not always) end in my spam folder. Steve, you may need to do something on your side. See screenshot.
Note that the issue with the sender doesn’t seem to be an issue with the Humboldt Core mailing list. Most other HC emails regularly go to my inbox.
Regards, Carlos
On Tue 27. Jun 2023 at 22:33, Baskauf, Steven James < steve.baskauf@vanderbilt.edu> wrote:
My feeling is that if we can finish the parent/child document we’ve been working on, we should be ready to submit. There is clearly more that could be done, but I think this is enough to establish the vocabulary and the basic event extension as a standard.
The material sample proposal is ahead of us in the queue, but it doesn’t look like that is going to have too much controversy, so my guess is that when it’s first 30 days expires, it will be done. If eco can be submitted soon, I would say we could start on public comment as soon as material sample is done. Optimally that would be ahead of the Latimer Core public comment, but that’s already been pushed off to at least July 15 to ask approval of the Exec, and possibly later than that.
So yes, I think it’s reasonable to try to get it done before Hobart. In which case a presentation would be a “victory lap” rather than a “we are in the late stages” talk (which we already did last year).
Steve
--
Steven J. Baskauf, Ph.D. he/him/his
Data Science and Data Curation Specialist / Librarian III
Jean & Alexander Heard Libraries, Vanderbilt University
Nashville, TN 37235, USA
Biodiversity Information Standards (TDWG) Executive Committee/Technical Architecture Group Chair
*From: *tdwg-humboldt tdwg-humboldt-bounces@lists.tdwg.org on behalf of Dmitry Schigel dschigel@gbif.org *Date: *Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 3:16 PM *To: *tuco@berkeley.edu tuco@berkeley.edu, Humboldt Core TG < tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org> *Subject: *Re: [tdwg-humboldt] TDWG 2023
Hi John and all,
I, too, asked this question a few dozens of calls ago, and somehow got the impression of “no way it is happening before Hobart” – then I enterer a period of lower involvement with HC, and most of you, on the contrary, did a lot – so if ratification is possible in 2023, even if tight, this is a very good news for GBIF from all possible directions– the data model work that you John know from inside, the subsequent and long overdue engagement with holders of ecology data, for the twins project etc etc.
By Hobart ’23 sound much better than by Okinawa ’24. In GBIF, Kate Ingenloff planned back to work day (after maternity leave) is 24th July. We will then discuss the immediate what-nows, and supporting speedy ratification is something we can consider, among other things – but I need to wait for Kate to come back first.
Personally, I am quite unfamiliar with formal side of TDWG ratifications (apart from marginal involvement in GGBN standard around 2013). Steve, was it you who explained to me that formalize-and-fix-later does not really work with TDWG routines, so HC should be fairly ready to enter the ratification process to avoid painful post-ratification corrections?
This is a very good question, John, and I agree it affects what’s in the abstract. TDWG have had many “we just do it, one day it is done”s, which is natural for the volunteer work, but maybe HC can go legit sooner.
I have a minor clash of Zooms tomorrow, but this is getting so exciting, I will do my best to join.
BR,
Dmitry
*From:* tdwg-humboldt tdwg-humboldt-bounces@lists.tdwg.org *On Behalf Of *John Wieczorek *Sent:* Tuesday, 27 June, 2023 20:50 *To:* Humboldt Core TG tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org *Subject:* Re: [tdwg-humboldt] TDWG 2023
Hi group,
This message thread makes me wonder about a more general question. Is there a general consensus about more or less when the Extension will be submitted for public review? My feeling is that it is fairly close. If so, the entire process and ratification might be completed before the TDWG Meeting. The unknown status around that time presents a challenge for an abstract. Any ideas about strategy?
Cheers,
John
On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 3:23 PM ys628 yanina.sica@yale.edu wrote:
Hi Dmitry and all,
Thanks for reminding us the deadline for TDWG 2023. Unfortunately, I will not be able to attend this year. I am not even sure I will be able to attend online because it overlaps completely with another conference I am attending. However, I think we should definitely present something and share the progress of our task group!
Sevel people from the group will be attending TDWG so let’s discuss tomorrow if someone would like to present. I am more than happy to help with the abstract (as you pointed out we could reuse a lot of material).
Tomorrow we will also discuss the ‘reloaded’ hierarchical document!
See you soon!
Yani
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Yale University
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*From:* tdwg-humboldt tdwg-humboldt-bounces@lists.tdwg.org on behalf of Dmitry Schigel dschigel@gbif.org *Sent:* Tuesday, June 27, 2023 3:10:58 PM *To:* Humboldt Core TG tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org *Subject:* [tdwg-humboldt] TDWG 2023
HI Yani and all,
We had a quick who-is-submitting what exchange at GBIF S staff meeting and we realize that we don’t know if someone will present – remotely or in person – the HC work done so far. Was it discussed a few calls ago? From GBIF S, there will be Matt, Tobias and me in-person, maybe Joe in Hobart. Tobias and me will be focusing on the DNA derived data and possibly digital twins. DL is Saturday, and maybe a short talk-securing abstract can be stitched from the existing paragraphs?
In standards work, it’s tricky to know what, how, where, when, and how much to present, but I am growing to like early exposure of the work in progress.
BR
Dmitry
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