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From: "Wesley M. Hochachka" <wmh6@cornell.edu>

Subject: Re: [tdwg-humboldt] Humboldt Task Group Meeting Wed 19 April 2023, 08:00 EST/12:00 UTC

Date: 19 April 2023 at 15:31:25 CEST

To: Yi Ming Gan <ymgan@naturalsciences.be>, "Sica, Yanina" <yanina.sica@yale.edu>, Humboldt Core TG <tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org>

Hi Ming,

   First, I still cannot sent e-mail messages to the listserv, so could either you or Yani forward this message to the entire group?  Oh, and I have added Yani as a direct recipient so that I know that she will receive this message too.

   Anyway, there was only a small group of us at today's meeting (Zach, Steve, and myself), and one of the things that we talked about was the message that you had sent earlier today.

   We are not sure what you meant when you write about the need to create a "dummy Event", and why one would need to create a dummy event.  What I am speculating is that something in the documentation is leading you and I (and I assume Steve and Zach) to assume different things about the use of the term isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive.

   It may not be efficient to use e-mail messages to ensure that all of us know understand the reason for what you wrote, so could you make certain to bring this up at the next meeting for discussion?

   Oh, and I'm afraid that I won't be able to attend the meeting next Wednesday, because I will be inside a winged tube flying west over the Atlantic.  Zach and Steve should be able to explain my own questions about what you wrote, so I do not think that it is essential that I am at the meeting when this is discussed.

   Oh...gotta run...I've got another meeting now!

Wesley

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Wesley Hochachka
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Cornell Lab of Ornithology
ph. (607) 254-2484
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From: Yi Ming Gan <ymgan@naturalsciences.be>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 05:09
To: Humboldt Core TG <tdwg-humboldt@lists.tdwg.org>
Cc: Wesley M. Hochachka <wmh6@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: [tdwg-humboldt] Humboldt Task Group Meeting Wed 19 April 2023, 08:00 EST/12:00 UTC

 

Hi all,

I have a deadline today, so I can’t attend the meeting. However, I tried to put isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive into tables (Darwin Core) based on the examples in the comment, so here are my thoughts:

1. It looks much simpler without isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive (Darwin Core Archive, not the new Unified Model)

If isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive = true
Use case without “isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive”

Occurrence

 

occurrenceID	eventID	taxonID	lifeStage	organismQuantity	organismQuantityType
occ_01	event_01	taxon_01	adult	1	individual
occ_02	event_01	taxon_01	juvenile	2	individual
occ_03	event_01	taxon_01		1	individual

 

eventID	Total individual of taxon_01
event_01	4 = 1 adult + 2 juvenile + 1 no lifestage

If isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive = false
use case without “isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive”

Occurrence

 

occurrenceID	eventID	taxonID	lifeStage	organismQuantity	organismQuantityType
occ_01	event_01	taxon_01	adult	1	individual
occ_02	event_01	taxon_01	juvenile	2	individual
occ_03	event_01	taxon_01		4	individual

 

eventID	Total individual of taxon_01
event_01	7 = 1 adult + 2 juvenile + 4 no lifestage

2. Dummy Event needs to be created if isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive differs in each Taxon per sampling event (Darwin Core Archive, not the new Unified Model)

Multiple taxa per event with isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive

If this will lead to user creating dummy Event to use this term, I feel like people will not use it. I also think that then what is the point of using Event core this way?

Occurrence

 

occurrenceID	eventID	taxonID	lifeStage	organismQuantity	organismQuantityType
occ_01	event_01	taxon_01	adult	1	individual
occ_02	event_01	taxon_01	juvenile	2	individual
occ_03	event_01	taxon_01		4	individual
occ_04	event_02	taxon_02		4	individual

Humboldt

 

eventID	isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive	Total individual of taxon
event_01	true	taxon_01 = 1 adult + 2 juvenile + 1 no lifestage
event_02	false	taxon_02 = 4 no lifeStage

Multiple taxa per event without isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive

Occurrence

 

occurrenceID	eventID	taxonID	lifeStage	organismQuantity	organismQuantityType
occ_01	event_01	taxon_01	adult	1	individual
occ_02	event_01	taxon_01	juvenile	2	individual
occ_03	event_01	taxon_01		1	individual
occ_04	event_01	taxon_02		4	individual

 

eventID	Total individual of taxon
event_01	taxon_01 = 1 adult + 2 juvenile + 1 no lifeStage taxon_02 = 4 no lifeStage

Maybe I missed something but I am not sure what is the merit of having isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive in Darwin Core (not the new unified model)?

I also put all the examples above in the slides in Humboldt google drive: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1lsCqdh_OeAFPgJYT9nqP82wqZgVNaDQpWpq7gnCAa3o/edit?usp=sharing 

Thanks a lot!!

Sincerely

Ming

On 19 Apr 2023, at 04:01, ys628 <yanina.sica@yale.edu> wrote:

Hi all, 

I am very sorry for the short notice. I will not be able to join our meeting. I had to travel to Argentina last minute to help my family. My mom had an emergency but now she is recovering very well so there is nothing to worry about.

I will kindly ask you to discuss and review the following documents so we can finally submit the extension.

• Implementation report (please review and add yourself as an author here)
• List of terms (please review all eco: terms here, tab: complete_term_list_from_JW) 
• Additional document to better explain eco:isLeastSpecificTargetCategoryQuantityInclusive (please add content, examples, links to other terms, etc. to this document). 
• This will be added as an official document to the list of terms. The idea here, is that all the comments and relations of other terms will be better captured in a separate document instead of making a terribly long Comments section.
• Humboldt Extension Documentation (please review here)
• This will not be an official document but will probably need to be linked in our presentation. Basically, I took our testing guide and removed all the parts related to the testing. We will need to update this document and polish it. 

When to meet

Wednesdays 8 am EST (see your time here)

Where to meet

Zoom link: https://yale.zoom.us/j/97318391101

Thank you and sorry for missing the meeting 

All the best, 

Yanina V. Sica, PhD

Lead Data Team

Map of Life | Center for Biodiversity and Global Change

Yale University

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