Re: [tdwg-content] New term needs resolution: yearOfPublication
Ha. I had the same problem - first time I have had it - is there something dodgy about goo.gl sort links maybe. I got around it by going to unshorten.com and unshortening it. Kevin ----- Reply message ----- From: "Peter Desmet" <peter.desmet@umontreal.ca> Date: Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:46 pm Subject: [tdwg-content] New term needs resolution: yearOfPublication To: "tuco@berkeley.edu" <tuco@berkeley.edu> Cc: "TDWG Content Mailing List" <tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org> The shortlink http://goo.gl/8WkJa has been disabled (at least on my computer), can you include the full URL to the issue? On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 05:24, John Wieczorek <tuco@berkeley.edu> wrote:
Looks like this one is off to a good start. If there is no dissenting opinion in the next 30 days, it looks like it'll be included.
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Peter DeVries <pete.devries@gmail.com> wrote:
I have something similar that I use for stating the year the species was described. This is useful for sorting by year etc. So +1 Note the datatype rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#gYear"
From http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p.html RDF http://10.10.10.122:3000/ses/v6n7p.rdf <txn:yearDescribed rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#gYear">1771</txn:yearDescribed>
Ontology <!-- http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ontology/txn.owl#yearDescribed --> <owl:DatatypeProperty rdf:about="http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ontology/txn.owl#yearDescribed"> <rdfs:label rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#gYear">yearDes
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yearOfPublication is a very general term name, one I didn't immediately connect to the publication year of a scientific name. Is this intentional (in other words, can it be used for the yearOfPublication of other things?) or should the name be more descriptive? Peter On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 09:29, Kevin Richards <RichardsK@landcareresearch.co.nz> wrote:
Ha. I had the same problem - first time I have had it - is there something dodgy about goo.gl sort links maybe.
I got around it by going to unshorten.com and unshortening it.
Kevin
----- Reply message ----- From: "Peter Desmet" <peter.desmet@umontreal.ca> Date: Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:46 pm Subject: [tdwg-content] New term needs resolution: yearOfPublication To: "tuco@berkeley.edu" <tuco@berkeley.edu> Cc: "TDWG Content Mailing List" <tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org>
The shortlink http://goo.gl/8WkJa has been disabled (at least on my computer), can you include the full URL to the issue?
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 05:24, John Wieczorek <tuco@berkeley.edu> wrote:
Looks like this one is off to a good start. If there is no dissenting opinion in the next 30 days, it looks like it'll be included.
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Peter DeVries <pete.devries@gmail.com> wrote:
I have something similar that I use for stating the year the species was described. This is useful for sorting by year etc. So +1 Note the datatype rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#gYear"
From http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p.html RDF http://10.10.10.122:3000/ses/v6n7p.rdf <txn:yearDescribed
rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#gYear">1771</txn:yearDescribed>
Ontology <!-- http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ontology/txn.owl#yearDescribed --> <owl:DatatypeProperty rdf:about="http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ontology/txn.owl#yearDescribed"> <rdfs:label rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#gYear">yearDes
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The intention was for use specifically with a taxon name, i.e. not a generic term. Personally I think it would be better to be specific to a taxon name object, otherwise it has less meaning. But I'm not sure. yearOfPublication is just what we call it here at Landcare, perhaps there is a better term, but I think if you have applied yearOfPublication to a taxon name object, then it seems fairly obvious that this is the year of publication of the taxon name - no? Kevin -----Original Message----- From: peter.desmet.cubc@gmail.com [mailto:peter.desmet.cubc@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Peter Desmet Sent: Friday, 15 July 2011 7:04 a.m. To: Kevin Richards Cc: tuco@berkeley.edu; TDWG Content Mailing List Subject: Re: [tdwg-content] New term needs resolution: yearOfPublication yearOfPublication is a very general term name, one I didn't immediately connect to the publication year of a scientific name. Is this intentional (in other words, can it be used for the yearOfPublication of other things?) or should the name be more descriptive? Peter On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 09:29, Kevin Richards <RichardsK@landcareresearch.co.nz> wrote:
Ha. I had the same problem - first time I have had it - is there something dodgy about goo.gl sort links maybe.
I got around it by going to unshorten.com and unshortening it.
Kevin
----- Reply message ----- From: "Peter Desmet" <peter.desmet@umontreal.ca> Date: Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:46 pm Subject: [tdwg-content] New term needs resolution: yearOfPublication To: "tuco@berkeley.edu" <tuco@berkeley.edu> Cc: "TDWG Content Mailing List" <tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org>
The shortlink http://goo.gl/8WkJa has been disabled (at least on my computer), can you include the full URL to the issue?
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 05:24, John Wieczorek <tuco@berkeley.edu> wrote:
Looks like this one is off to a good start. If there is no dissenting opinion in the next 30 days, it looks like it'll be included.
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Peter DeVries <pete.devries@gmail.com> wrote:
I have something similar that I use for stating the year the species was described. This is useful for sorting by year etc. So +1 Note the datatype rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#gYear"
From http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p.html RDF http://10.10.10.122:3000/ses/v6n7p.rdf <txn:yearDescribed
rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#gYear">1771</txn:yearDescribed>
Ontology <!-- http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ontology/txn.owl#yearDescribed --> <owl:DatatypeProperty rdf:about="http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ontology/txn.owl#yearDescribed"> <rdfs:label rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#gYear">yearDes
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As a general comment, not necessarily restriced to 'yearOfPublication', would using a general descriptive handle for a specific instance lead to confusion and constant clarification, elaboration and discussion down the line? Would it not be better to come up with a new handle, taxonYearOfPublication or similar, if we want the value to have a particular meaning in a particular context? Things like yearOfPublication look like a general term and most users might reasonably expect to be able to use it in a general context. In this particular situation the year of publication is almost certainly going to be a 4-digit number, as it would be for any other kind of publication. Is there any value in drawing a distinction between the year in which a taxon was published and the same year in which a book, journal, blog, email, tweet was published? At the end of the day, it is just a year... [groan] jim On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 5:35 AM, Kevin Richards <RichardsK@landcareresearch.co.nz> wrote:
The intention was for use specifically with a taxon name, i.e. not a generic term. Personally I think it would be better to be specific to a taxon name object, otherwise it has less meaning. But I'm not sure.
yearOfPublication is just what we call it here at Landcare, perhaps there is a better term, but I think if you have applied yearOfPublication to a taxon name object, then it seems fairly obvious that this is the year of publication of the taxon name - no?
Kevin
-----Original Message----- From: peter.desmet.cubc@gmail.com [mailto:peter.desmet.cubc@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Peter Desmet Sent: Friday, 15 July 2011 7:04 a.m. To: Kevin Richards Cc: tuco@berkeley.edu; TDWG Content Mailing List Subject: Re: [tdwg-content] New term needs resolution: yearOfPublication
yearOfPublication is a very general term name, one I didn't immediately connect to the publication year of a scientific name. Is this intentional (in other words, can it be used for the yearOfPublication of other things?) or should the name be more descriptive?
Peter
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 09:29, Kevin Richards <RichardsK@landcareresearch.co.nz> wrote:
Ha. I had the same problem - first time I have had it - is there something dodgy about goo.gl sort links maybe.
I got around it by going to unshorten.com and unshortening it.
Kevin
----- Reply message ----- From: "Peter Desmet" <peter.desmet@umontreal.ca> Date: Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:46 pm Subject: [tdwg-content] New term needs resolution: yearOfPublication To: "tuco@berkeley.edu" <tuco@berkeley.edu> Cc: "TDWG Content Mailing List" <tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org>
The shortlink http://goo.gl/8WkJa has been disabled (at least on my computer), can you include the full URL to the issue?
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 05:24, John Wieczorek <tuco@berkeley.edu> wrote:
Looks like this one is off to a good start. If there is no dissenting opinion in the next 30 days, it looks like it'll be included.
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Peter DeVries <pete.devries@gmail.com> wrote:
I have something similar that I use for stating the year the species was described. This is useful for sorting by year etc. So +1 Note the datatype rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#gYear"
From http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p.html RDF http://10.10.10.122:3000/ses/v6n7p.rdf <txn:yearDescribed
rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#gYear">1771</txn:yearDescribed>
Ontology <!-- http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ontology/txn.owl#yearDescribed --> <owl:DatatypeProperty rdf:about="http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ontology/txn.owl#yearDescribed"> <rdfs:label rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#gYear">yearDes
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for the entire publication we have the term dwc:namePublishedIn. Would maybe dwc:namePublishedInYear make it clearer? Markus On Jul 15, 2011, at 2:11, Jim Croft wrote:
As a general comment, not necessarily restriced to 'yearOfPublication', would using a general descriptive handle for a specific instance lead to confusion and constant clarification, elaboration and discussion down the line?
Would it not be better to come up with a new handle, taxonYearOfPublication or similar, if we want the value to have a particular meaning in a particular context?
Things like yearOfPublication look like a general term and most users might reasonably expect to be able to use it in a general context.
In this particular situation the year of publication is almost certainly going to be a 4-digit number, as it would be for any other kind of publication. Is there any value in drawing a distinction between the year in which a taxon was published and the same year in which a book, journal, blog, email, tweet was published?
At the end of the day, it is just a year... [groan]
jim
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 5:35 AM, Kevin Richards <RichardsK@landcareresearch.co.nz> wrote:
The intention was for use specifically with a taxon name, i.e. not a generic term. Personally I think it would be better to be specific to a taxon name object, otherwise it has less meaning. But I'm not sure.
yearOfPublication is just what we call it here at Landcare, perhaps there is a better term, but I think if you have applied yearOfPublication to a taxon name object, then it seems fairly obvious that this is the year of publication of the taxon name - no?
Kevin
-----Original Message----- From: peter.desmet.cubc@gmail.com [mailto:peter.desmet.cubc@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Peter Desmet Sent: Friday, 15 July 2011 7:04 a.m. To: Kevin Richards Cc: tuco@berkeley.edu; TDWG Content Mailing List Subject: Re: [tdwg-content] New term needs resolution: yearOfPublication
yearOfPublication is a very general term name, one I didn't immediately connect to the publication year of a scientific name. Is this intentional (in other words, can it be used for the yearOfPublication of other things?) or should the name be more descriptive?
Peter
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 09:29, Kevin Richards <RichardsK@landcareresearch.co.nz> wrote:
Ha. I had the same problem - first time I have had it - is there something dodgy about goo.gl sort links maybe.
I got around it by going to unshorten.com and unshortening it.
Kevin
----- Reply message ----- From: "Peter Desmet" <peter.desmet@umontreal.ca> Date: Wed, Jul 6, 2011 12:46 pm Subject: [tdwg-content] New term needs resolution: yearOfPublication To: "tuco@berkeley.edu" <tuco@berkeley.edu> Cc: "TDWG Content Mailing List" <tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org>
The shortlink http://goo.gl/8WkJa has been disabled (at least on my computer), can you include the full URL to the issue?
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 05:24, John Wieczorek <tuco@berkeley.edu> wrote:
Looks like this one is off to a good start. If there is no dissenting opinion in the next 30 days, it looks like it'll be included.
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Peter DeVries <pete.devries@gmail.com> wrote:
I have something similar that I use for stating the year the species was described. This is useful for sorting by year etc. So +1 Note the datatype rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#gYear"
From http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/v6n7p.html RDF http://10.10.10.122:3000/ses/v6n7p.rdf <txn:yearDescribed
rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#gYear">1771</txn:yearDescribed>
Ontology <!-- http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ontology/txn.owl#yearDescribed --> <owl:DatatypeProperty rdf:about="http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ontology/txn.owl#yearDescribed"> <rdfs:label rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#gYear">yearDes
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