At 9:57 AM -0400 5/11/09, Peter Desmet wrote:
Thanks Marküs,
Would it be possible for you to answer the two following questions?
- Is Darwin Core now officially in public review?
No, it is not. It has been through the initial peer reivew, the authors have revised the submission substantially, and as Review Manager I am going through the revisions once more, catching/commenting on more things that need to be corrected before before making a recommendation to the Executive Committee, who then signs off on taking this for the official public review. Announcements for the public review will be made in multiple venues to get the widest possible feedback. Then it will go to a vote.
One of my early comments was that the statement on all of the documents that this was now in public review, is incorrect.
For better or worse I started to use this forum (tdwg-content) for my comments because I knew that John was in the field (and his leaving was at a time when I had poor to non-existent email access) and I had hoped that other members of the team might be able to pick up some of the slack once I got a chance to start looking again. I don't know how many people are on this list, whom I've been "bothering" :-/.
- If yes, how should people comment on DwC (see also emails from Gail
Kampmeier): through this mailing list or using the (better suited?) issue tracker on Google Code, where more than 130 term pages are missing for discussion (404 errors)?
In other words, can I forward DwC for review to the Canadensys community now or do you want us to wait?
WAIT please. This is not ready yet, but we're getting there. Most importantly, a system for feedback needs to be established. This is not the traditional method of presenting a standard (as a Word file, where you could use track changes to comment or make wording suggestions), but it is the way that this standard will be used, and thus it was deemed the best way to proceed. We do need some way for others to contribute (Markus, Tim, ...?) to the public review, and my question is, is this forum (tdwg-content) it? I am assuming that this is DwC-centric and does not apply to any other standards.
Cheers! Gail
Peter
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 8:43 AM, "Markus Döring (GBIF)" mdoering@gbif.org wrote:
thanks for this mail, peter! john is currently on fieldwork in argentina, so he is offline for lots of time, so please excuse his silence over long periods. He will be glad to see your comments I will imagine.
cheers, Markus
On May 7, 2009, at 9:11 PM, Peter Desmet wrote:
Hi everyone,
As Marküs informed me last time, I should post all my Darwin Core remarks on this list. Most of my remarks are about missing information in the complete historical record (see below), except the following:
- Great work!! I haven't had time to read the full documentation yet,
but I'm very glad everything is so well documented now. It answers a lot of questions and it will greatly facilitate the adoption of the standard. Over the last 2 years I have given several presentations about Darwin Core to data publishers, but with all the current improvements, it will be a blast to do this! Especially the use of classes (instead of core and extentions) makes it much easier to grasp conceptually.
- Is Darwin Core now officially in public review? Will we receive an
invitation email to review (which I could forward)?
- What is the reasoning behind changing all the term names from
UpperCamelCase to lowerCamelCase?
- HABITAT
http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/index.htm#habitat
I don't think I agree the best practice for this term is to use a controlled vocabulary. This field can contain plenty of text information that may be lost if one switches to a controlled vocabulary.
- GEODETICDATUM
http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/index.htm#geodeticDatum
So you need to use the same geodetic datum for the verbatim coordinates as for the decimal lat & long?
- PREVIOUSIDENTIFICATIONS
http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#previousIdentifications-2009-...
Under the current definition (and examples) of previousIdentifications, this list can include person names and dates. This is significantly different from the previous definition: "A list (concatenated and separated) of previous ScientificNames to which the sample was identified". In my opinion this old definition should be kept in the complete historical record, with a "replaced by" link.
------------ MISSING/INCORRECT INFORMATION ------------
- The following historical classes cannot be found (anymore) in the
complete historical record. If added, they should have a "replaced by" link and the new term should have a "replaces link" (except if new term is part of Dublin Core).
Sample (now http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#Occurrence-2009-04-24) SamplingEvent (now http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#Event-2008-11-19) SamplingLocation (now http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#Location-2009-04-24) SampleAttribute (now
http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#MeasurementOrFact-2009-04-24) EventAttribute (now
http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#MeasurementOrFact-2009-04-24) AccessConstraints (now http://dublincore.org/documents/dcmi-terms/#terms-accessRights) Generalizations (now
http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#dataGeneralizations-2009-04-2...) SampleRemarks (now
http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#occurrenceRemarks-2009-04-24) SamplingEventID (now http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#eventID-2009-04-24) SamplingEventRemarks (now http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#eventRemarks-2009-04-24) SamplingEventAttributes (now
http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#dynamicProperties-2009-04-24) SamplingLocationID (now http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#locationID-2009-04-24) SamplingLocationRemarks (now http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#locationRemarks-2009-04-24) SamplingAttributeID and EventAttributeID (now http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#measurementID-2009-04-24) SamplingAttributeType and EventAttributeType (now http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#measurementType-2009-04-24) SamplingAttributeValue and EventAttributeValue (now
http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#measurementValue-2009-04-24) SamplingAttributeAccuracy and EventAttributeAccuracy (now
http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#measurementAccuracy-2009-04-2...) SamplingAttributeUnit and EventAttributeUnit (now http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#measurementUnit-2009-04-24) SamplingAttributeDeterminedDate and EventAttributeDeterminedDate (now
http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#measurementDeterminedDate-200...) SamplingAttributeDeterminedBy and EventAttributeDeterminedBy (now
http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#measurementDeterminedBy-2009-...) SamplingAttributeRemarks and EventAttributeRemarks (now
http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#measurementRemarks-2009-04-24)
- There are plenty of missing discussion pages on the Google Code
website. See attachment for full list.
- See remarks per term.
OCCURENCE http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/index.htm#Occurrence
Details links to 2008-11-19, not to the more recent 2009-04-24.
http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#Occurrence-2009-04-24
Date modified: 2008-11-19? No "replaces" link to 2008-11-19
http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#Occurrence-2008-11-19
Date modified: 2008-04-24? Status: recommended? No "replaced by" link to 2008-04-24
LOCATION http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#Location-2009-04-24
Status: recommended? No "replaced by" link to dcterms:Location
TAXON http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/index.htm#Taxon
Details link to 2008-11-19, not to the more recent 2009-01-23.
http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#Taxon-2008-11-19
No "replaced by" link to 2009-01-23 Status: recommended?
http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#Taxon-2009-01-23
No "replaces" link to 2008-11-19
INFORMATIONWITHHELD Some of the examples in http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/index.htm#informationWithheld are better placed in http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/index.htm#dataGeneralizations
RELATEDINFORMATION
http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#RelatedInformation-2007-04-17
No "replaces" link to http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#RecordURL-2005-07-10
CONDITION http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/index.htm#reproductiveCondition
The reproductive condition of the biological individual(s): should include plural?
BEHAVIOR http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#behavior-2009-04-24
The decision
(http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/decisions/index.htm#Decision-2009-03-06...) mentions SamplingEvent and Sample, two now historical classes.
CATALOGNUMBERNUMERIC
http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#CatalogNumberNumeric-2003-06-... Is now historical, but there is no "replaced by" link (probably to:
http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#otherCatalogNumbers-2009-04-2...)
EVENTDATE http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#eventDate-2009-04-24
Split the replaces link in two: EarliestDateCollected & LatestDateCollected
EVENTTIME http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#eventTime-2009-04-24
Split the replaces link in two: StartTimeOfDay & EndTimeOfDay
BINOMIAL http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#binomial-2008-11-19
Is not used in the DwC terms, but has the status: recommended.
RELATEDRESOURCETYPE
http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#relatedResourceType-2009-04-2...
Is not used in the DwC terms, but has the status: recommended.
RELATEDBASISOFRECORD
http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/history/index.htm#RelatedBasisOfRecord-2008-11-...
Is not used in the DwC terms, but has the status: recommended.
Regards,
Peter
-- Peter Desmet Biodiversity Informatics Manager / Directeur de l'informatique de la biodiversité Montréal Biodiversity Centre / Centre sur la biodiversité de Montréal Canadensys - www.canadensys.net
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-- Peter Desmet Biodiversity Informatics Manager / Directeur de l'informatique de la biodiversité Montréal Biodiversity Centre / Centre sur la biodiversité de Montréal Canadensys - www.canadensys.net
Institut de recherche en biologie végétale Université de Montréal 4101 Rue Sherbrooke Est Montréal, Québec, H1X2B2 Canada
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