I think we need a mother of all points at the beginning

0) Clearly defined use-cases/scenarios/competency questions that have enough detail to act as tests of any proposed solutions. Without these we will continue to bob around in the sea of good ideas and never arrive at any destination.

Who is it for? What will it enable them to do? Do they want/need to do it? 

On 13 Nov 2010, at 08:30, Kevin Richards <RichardsK@landcareresearch.co.nz> wrote:

'Effective tools' to do X, Y & Z always seem to be on the agenda, but I'm not sure it is the tools that are the hold up.  Unfortunately I think it boils down to funding... I'm sure if we had adequate funding to get people together for the required length of time, working on the right stuff etc, etc, then we would make fantastic progress. 

I'm thinking a really good session with a basic UML tool would be a big step forward.  I have got hold of a UML tool and intend to have a go at a core tdwg model.  I think it would be great then if we could organise a session on working on this model.

Kevin

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From: "Lee Belbin" <leebelbin@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Nov 13, 2010 3:42 pm
Subject: [tdwg-content] Relation of GNA to TDWG vocabularies
To: "tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org" <tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org>

Well stated Stan, but I'd add a third-

3. Effective tool/s for viewing (graph, sub-graph, tables, properties etc.),
add/delete/modify with adaptable governance control (e.g., assigned management
to sub-graph domains), annotate (with full logging of who did what, when and
how...). This is in effect a collaboration tool.

Until we have a tool (preferable to tools) that can be intuitive and effective
for building, managing and deploying /exporting vocabs or ontologies, we will
struggle with this socially and technically tough, but very necessary task. The
social issues are the hardest, but an effective collaboration tool would be a
big help.

A tool that will be readily embraced  by #2 (the domain specialists) seems far
more important than the tools I've seen so far that are embraced by #1 (e.g.
Protégé).

That we don't have a TDWG ontology is an increasing worry.

Lee

Lee Belbin
Geospatial Team Leader
Atlas of Living Australia


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[mailto:tdwg-content-bounces@lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of Blum, Stan
Sent: Saturday, 13 November 2010 9:43 AM
To: tdwg-content@lists.tdwg.org
Subject: Re: [tdwg-content] Relation of GNA to TDWG vocabularies

Progress on the TDWG ontology seems to require:

1) one or more people with good sense of what can be done with ontologies, both
in the near-term and long-term; and
2) one or more people who understand the way information is partitioned in this
domain and how it could fit together.

I think we have a lot of #2, but not many of #1.

FYI, we have seed money to bring these categories together.

-Stan


On 11/12/10 2:25 PM, "Bob Morris" <morris.bob@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Richard Pyle 
> <deepreef@bishopmuseum.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> [...] the current status of the TDWG-Ontology efforts.  The Google 
>> Code website seems a bit anemic,
> 
> Ooh, I love that line.  I think I'll put it in the script of my next 
> animation, to be titled: "Alpha and Beta discuss the current status of 
> of the TDWG-Ontology efforts"
> 
> Thanks for correcting the URL.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
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