Hi Rich -

So you're saying that it would be dangerous to frame an occurrence as a taxon concept at a place/time and should be an Individual at a place/time instead (with which I would agree), but then you go on to say that the scope of Individual should be wide enough to accommodate anything that can be circumscribed as a taxon concept. Does that mean that you view a taxon concept and something that can be circumscribed aa a taxon concept as two very different things? 

In ontological terms, the set of things (a class) that can be sufficiently circumscribed with a taxon concept (a class) and the taxon concept would seem semantically the same to me. I think it's important here to distinguish between instances of (individuals that are a members of) the taxon concept class (but never comprise of all members of the class), and the taxon concept itself as a class. But perhaps that is what you had in mind anyway?

-hilmar

Sent with a tap.

On May 31, 2011, at 4:02 PM, Richard Pyle <deepreef@bishopmuseum.org> wrote:

I’m glad to see this conversation re-vitalized, as we (Rob Whitton & I) have been thinking a lot about this in our recent discussions concerning BiSciCol, GNUB, etc.  I’m on coffee break from virtual attendance at a conference right now, so no time to elaborate, except I think it would be dangerous to accommodate an occurrence as a “species” (or any taxon concept) at a place/time.  I know there are plenty of data that effectively are represented as Taxon-at-Event (i.e., occurrence of a taxon at a place and time).  However, I think these should all be framed as “Individual-at-Event”, even if “Individual” is nothing more than a GUID to which Taxon identifications can be linked.

 

I think the hardest part will be to define the allowable scope of “Individual”.  In my mind, it should at least span from single organism to multiple organisms up to colony and population; and can be circumscribed by any taxon concept (including “Life”).  I have been re-thinking whether “part” should be treated as a separate individual.  I used to think yes, but lately I’ve been thinking no.

 

Aloha,

Rich

 

From: tdwg-content-bounces@lists.tdwg.org [mailto:tdwg-content-bounces@lists.tdwg.org] On Behalf Of Peter DeVries
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Hi Nico, 

 

Wouldn't the individual be asserted to be an instance of a species "concept"

 

For instance:

 

 

An individual of that species concept http://lod.taxonconcept.org/ses/ICmLC#Individual

 

An occurrence that has been asserted to be an occurrence of that species http://ocs.taxonconcept.org/ocs/f522444a-2dd9-400e-be59-47213ef38cb9#Occurrence

 

 

Relationships between these entities can be browsed via the Knowledge Base view.

 

 

 

* Note that links on the HTML page will also take you to the views of the different entities in the Knowledge Base.

 

Also note that someone else could assert that the individual butterfly is actually an instance of a different species concept. One could simply replace these assertions with their own in a separate mapping file, or

with a different predicate. Note the hypothetical links below don't work.

 

 

 

* We might miss some species occurrence records when we do this, so it would be best to avoid creating a number of basically duplicate concepts especially if they not the same "kind" of concept.

  For instance those that are linked to a specific name or classification hierarchy.

 

Respectfully,

 

- Pete

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 6:10 AM, Nico Cellinese <ncellinese@flmnh.ufl.edu> wrote:

I personally like this nicely refined suggestion but to be honest, I can also live with the others previously made.  What I don't seem to be able to digest is the notion that same individual will later be equaled  by some to a species. That assertion is hard to swallow.

 

Nico

 

 

On May 31, 2011, at 3:44 AM, Paul Murray wrote:

 

> An Occurrence is a combination of an Individual and an Event.
> An Occurrence is a coupling of an Individual and an Event.
> An Occurrence is a pairing of an Individual and an Event.

 

How about:

An Occurrence is the reification of an individual's involvement in (entaglement with? presence at? relationship to?) an event. It reifies an "Event involvesIndividual Individual" fact.

 

The need for this construct is that we often need to say a number of additional things about an individual's involvement with (presence at) an event beyond simply assertin that there is some relationship. We need to say what tokens that individual left, what role that individual had (Predator? Prey? Parasite?), perhaps temporal or other limits of that particular individual at the event. Occurrence is the object to which these facts may be attached. An individual might meaningfully have more than one occurrence at an event - particularly in cases where events are part-of larger events, or where an individual somehow has multiple roles (hyenas chased away from their kill by a lion - or is it the other way around?).

 

To put it another way: "reification" = "tuple" = "association table" = "pulling a property out into an object". More or less.

 

To put it another another way, an Occurence object stands in relation to an event and an individual much as a TaxonRelationship object stands in relation to the two taxa it mentions. You could simply model taxonomy with a "hasSubtaxon" predicate, but we usually need to say a great deal more about taxonomic relationships than that.

 

 

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