Hi all,<div><br></div><div>Since most of the discussion happened on this tdwg-content and tdwg-tag mailing lists already, can't we continue here? I created a link to both from the issue page: <a href="http://code.google.com/p/darwincore/issues/detail?id=150#c2" target="_blank">http://code.google.com/p/darwincore/issues/detail?id=150#c2</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>I have been stuck in a meeting all day, while Tim Roberston wrote some convincing arguments against creating a canonicalScientificName term (<a href="http://code.google.com/p/darwincore/issues/detail?id=150#c1" target="_blank">http://code.google.com/p/darwincore/issues/detail?id=150#c1</a>), as did Rich Pyle (email March 14 <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;white-space:nowrap">17:20 GMT-10:00). I will need some time to think about these. :-) I will try to write a coherent response tomorrow.</span></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;white-space:nowrap"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;white-space:nowrap">Peter</span></div>
<div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 06:38, Tim Robertson [GBIF] <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:trobertson@gbif.org" target="_blank">trobertson@gbif.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi all,<br>
<br>
Now that a "formal" proposal for a new term has been added [1], should this discussion continue here or on the issue tracker? To my knowledge that is the only forum that will be used for a new term when considering if it will get accepted.<br>
<div><br>
> When records doesn't fit in standard terms and you cannot afford losing<br>
> the information, the only solution is to add your own custom field. I<br>
> am clearly happier when I find the term I need in the standard.<br>
<br>
</div>I'm, not sure this not applies in this case Simon. Is there really a scenario where you would put something in canonicalScientificName that you *could not* put in dwc:scientificName and would require a new term?<br>
<div><br>
> As canonicalScientificName is both useful enough and clearly defined I vote for adding it to the standard.<br>
<br>
</div>I've actually challenged this and believe it is not clearly defined [1], as it does not deal detail what to do when you are filling both, nor how a consumer would deal with apparently conflicting information. While the same is true for dwc:genus etc, this one is *so close* to dwc:scientificName and in many cases could legitimately have the same content, guidelines are going to be needed for consistent use. I fear a repeat of the consumption mess dealing with conflicting abcd:catalogNumber and abcd:catalogNumberNumeric unwittingly being used inconsistently across resources.<br>
<div><br>
>> I suspect that the vast majority of names do not present<br>
>> these problems. Why do we let edge cases determine what we do?<br>
<br>
</div>Rod, for the vast majority of names a couple of regular expressions suffice anyway - right? We don't need a new term to deal with the easy stuff, and for the hard stuff this term doesn't help anyway.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Tim<br>
<br>
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[1 ] <a href="http://code.google.com/p/darwincore/issues/detail?id=150&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Priority%20Milestone%20Project%20Reporter%20Summary%20Opened" target="_blank">http://code.google.com/p/darwincore/issues/detail?id=150&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Priority%20Milestone%20Project%20Reporter%20Summary%20Opened</a><br>
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On Mar 15, 2012, at 10:22 AM, Simon Chagnoux wrote:<br>
<br>
> Sure, for prototypes and proof of concept things, edge cases can be left<br>
> apart. But some people and institutions also use Darwin Core for<br>
> exchanging data between big databases. It is a simple and powerful tool<br>
> for that, especially coupled with DwC/A.<br>
><br>
> When records doesn't fit in standard terms and you cannot afford losing<br>
> the information, the only solution is to add your own custom field. I<br>
> am clearly happier when I find the term I need in the standard.<br>
><br>
> As canonicalScientificName is both useful enough and clearly defined I<br>
> vote for adding it to the standard.<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
><br>
> Simon.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Le 14/03/2012 20:17, Roderic Page a écrit :<br>
>> Apart from the fact that I can barely bring myself to care about<br>
>> plants ;) I suspect that the vast majority of names do not present<br>
>> these problems. Why do we let edge cases determine what we do?<br>
>><br>
>> Regards<br>
>><br>
>> Rod<br>
><br>
><br>
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