Dear <span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;border-collapse:collapse;white-space:pre-wrap">Éamonn,</span><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br>
</span></font></div><div><span style="font-size: 13px; "></span><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;">My goal of including the text about my ability to attend the LSID-GUID task group was simply to address the earlier assertion that the meeting</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;">was open to anyone.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br>
</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;">It my understanding that although I was nominated by one of the US reps, I did not realize until after the fact that I was supposed to send in</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;">my C.V.. So part of this confusion was the result of an error on my part.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;">You were kind enough to send me the pre-meeting documents which I looked over. At the time it seemed that the goal of the meeting was</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;">to coordinate and promote the use of LSID's. Also I noted that the document did mention my work (see below). So I preceded, unconcerned since what was proposed was only nominally related to what I have been proposing at a number of talks and email discussions, and it even mentioned my work.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;">"<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; ">Among the resources of obvious relevance to biodiversity are DBpedia, PubMed, geonames, geospecies, and the RDF Book Mashup.</span><br>
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</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse;white-space:pre-wrap">When I saw the draft proposal it appeared as if the goals of the meeting had changed since the original documents distributed a few weeks before.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse;white-space:pre-wrap">What Rod Page was now advocating was almost identical to what I had been advocating for over the last year. A proposal that I had thought was going to be incorporated into the GNA. It also mirrored what I had been doing with the GeoSpecies and TaxonConcept projects, which are mentioned on the TDWG site as examples of the TDWG vocabulary.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;">So not only did mention of my work disappear in the next draft revision, Rod Page appeared to be representing my proposal as his own.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;">Since this was already positioned to be part of the EOL-GBIF GNA, I can't see any reason for them to be concerned about turf. As far as I was concerned there had been several discussions about incorporating my work into the GNA and that appears to be moving forward.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;">I can see how one person might be trying to create a paper trail that makes the proposal look like their own. A pattern which I have seen several times before and is well documented in the history of science.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;">I think the whole reason I was nominated for this group was because of my existing work and proposals so it is strange that there is no mention of it in the post meeting draft.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;">Since it was already planned to be incorporated in the GNA, why wouldn't it have been mentioned?</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;">Respectfully,</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; white-space: pre-wrap;">- Pete</span></font></div>
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</span></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:23 AM, Éamonn Ó Tuama <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eotuama@gbif.org" target="_blank">eotuama@gbif.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Dear Peter,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">The call to participate in the LGTG was open to everyone but,
unfortunately, for reasons already given to you and because of the need to
limit numbers to create a functional and effective work group, and to be able
to cover travel costs, the maximum number that could actually participate in the
workshop was limited. We sought to get the inputs of those individuals who expressed
interest but were not selected for the core task group through comments on
drafts of the report and all your emails, along with those from others, were
shared with the group. There was no intent to exclude any significant work –
the final report was not meant to be an exhaustive literature review of the current
state of the field – it needed to be kept concise – but I support Kevin’s
response (attached) and would be happy to see a reference to GeoSpecies in the
linked data section.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I think there will be plenty of opportunities for your
contributions as we move forward. The plan is to create a web site for the
report with facility to comment and suggest additional materials. Expansion on
some of the briefly mentioned use cases in the report is one area, for example,
that needs amplification.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Best regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Éamonn</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
<a href="mailto:lgtg-bounces@lists.gbif.org" target="_blank">lgtg-bounces@lists.gbif.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:lgtg-bounces@lists.gbif.org" target="_blank">lgtg-bounces@lists.gbif.org</a>] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Peter DeVries<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 15 November 2009 02:40<br>
<b>To:</b> Technical Architecture Group mailing list; <a href="mailto:lgtg@lists.gbif.org" target="_blank">lgtg@lists.gbif.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Lgtg] Re LSID-GUID</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I also thought I would also address this statement about the
LSID-GUID meeting</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> The invitation to the LGTG workshop was open to
everyone.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">"Thank you for your expression of interest in
participating in the GBIF LSID-GUID Task Group. Due to the need to have a mix
of skills/experience and to try to maintain a geographical spread (difficult),
it did not prove possible to include you in the core group (North America was
over-represented in the nominations)"</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have no animosity toward GBIF for this, I have just become
increasingly concerned about a growing paper trail that is amazingly similar to
my own proposals but fails to mention my work.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It seems strange to me that of all the people involved in
TDWG and Linked Data discussions over the last year my efforts seem to be being
positioned as "invisible".</p>
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Department of Entomology<br>
University of Wisconsin - Madison<br>
445 Russell Laboratories<br>
1630 Linden Drive<br>
Madison, WI 53706<br>
GeoSpecies Knowledge Base <br>
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